Troy City Council Pushes Against Adding 'Birmingham' to Transit Center Name
Some council members believe "Birmingham" should be removed from the transit center's new title.
Troy City Council members debated the name of the Troy Birmingham Transit Center Monday evening after an update on operations funding from Troy Chamber of Commerce President Michele Hodges.
The name change—from the Troy Transit Center to the Troy Birmingham Transit Center—was made for a number of reasons, Hodges said.
"It sets the stage for the future," Hodges said, adding that the transit center's proximity to Birmingham makes the transit center a destination for people visiting both cities.
"We want to be as informative as we can to that customer," she said. “We think Birmingham is an outstanding brand. ... We just think it’s good business."
Council members, who appeared to be surprised by the name change Monday, had a different point of view.
“I don’t agree with the sharing of the names," Councilman Dave Henderson said, adding that the project is being carried out by the city of Troy and not Birmingham.
“My recollection is we made an offer to Birmingham to share with the costs, to see if they would pay for the naming, and they declined that also," Councilman Dane Slater said, adding, “I think we’re all proud of the name Troy."
“I don’t remember seeing Troy Birmingham on any of the artist’s renderings," Councilman Wade Fleming added.
Councilman Doug Tietz, who first brought up the renaming during council comments, was most adamant about keeping the old name and excluding Birmingham.
"For crying out loud. Since we have to pay for it, I don’t understand why we would call it anything else," Tietz said.
City of Troy Attorney Lori Grigg Bluhm said she will look into the official name of the transit center and possibly have more information on the topic at the next regular Troy City Council meeting on Aug. 13.
Chris P.
8:01 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Seems like it makes sense to include "Birmingham" in the name, the more I think about it. It's not as if Birmingham didn't have a desire to be a part of this and it is part of the destination/stop from a rider's point of view. Keeping it in the name is a good branding strategy on many levels. I'm surprised at Doug Tietz's reaction, quite honestly, considering that I've heard he is a marketing guy. If being part of the name encourages/keeps the door open for Birmingham's involvement, why not do so?
Total Health
9:49 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Birmingham pulled funding from this program, so they made a decision NOT to be part of this, so their name should NOT be on the building.
We have many great cities surrounding Troy, not just Birmingham. WE can market ALL of them, including Birmingham.
And who gave the Troy Chamber of Commerce permission to change the name??? I didn't think they had the authority to do this.
Sue Martin
9:55 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
The facts are that the legal documents have always included BOTH names. The Chamber didn't change anything.
gwaters
10:12 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I agree with Chris P. & Michele Hodges. Including the name would benefit the entire area.
John DeLora
12:10 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Keep in mind that the only reason Birmingham dropped out of the project is because Canadian National Railway refused to sell them the land that was needed to build added boarding space on the Birmingham side. It certainly wasn;t because B'ham didn't want the facility.
J. DeLora
Formerly employed in Troy
Mark
8:27 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
The Troy Chamber should be concerned about Troy. If Birmingham was worried about the Birmingham businesses, they needed to pony up the dollars.
Mrs. Hodges, why not call it "The Birmingham Troy Transit Center" since Birmingham is such a great brand?
R Jeppostol
8:38 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Troy's paying for it, it should be named troy. Also, the appeal of the birmingham name is daily getting diminished by the echoes of gunshots and the faint whir of police sirens approaching the scene an hour later.
Sharon
9:34 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
How about the Janice Daniels/David Wisz Heroin Express Transit Center?
Isn't that what he, her "expert," called it.
ExTroyGal
11:40 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Isn't it interesting that some of the same people who don't want "BIRMINGHAM" to be part of the name of the transit center because they didn't invest in it are the same people who had no problem with Janice Daniels bringing in David Wisz of BIRMINGHAM to tell us that the transit center is a bad idea?
Ron Dwyer
9:41 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Birmingham opted out. Troy should have as well. But since Troy went through with this it should be in the city of Troy's name only. Now if Birmingham wants to chip in for the cost of this soon to be crime ridden not used eyesore, then by all means let them sign a contract to help cover costs and they can have their name on the building.
CC
1:08 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Sounds like you should move away quick before the inevitable crime gets you. I would hate for your image to be tarnished by living in close proximity to such an obvious eye sore (never mind that it hasn't even been built). Send us a post card.
Ron Dwyer
9:42 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Also since Michelle Hodges doesn't seem to have much faith in the brand of Troy. Perhaps the Troy Chamber of Commerce should have a new President.
Sue Martin
9:44 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Did you hear Mrs. Hodges' talk last night, Ron? She has much faith. It's an exciting time for the transit center. :)
Daffy Noodnicks
10:20 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
The funding for the transit center is Federal. Birmingham residents pay federal taxes too. Isn't Birmingham just the other side of the tracks? It seems to me the purpose of the name is simply to clarify the location for transit riders. Lots of transit stops are a named this sort of way.
Wiley Coyote
10:41 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
How about we name it the Slater/Fleming Transit Center, since they were the ones with enough vision, intelligence and guts to find a way to keep it alive against all odds (and by odds, I mean Daniels, Henderson and Tietz.)
Katie Mowrey
11:10 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Not the time to be petty. It's not about money, or pride. The name communicates location and access to two communities. Communication is key and a long term asset. Stop being all Jerry Springer and decide based on intelligence.
ExTroyGal
11:54 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Well stated, Katie. Let's hope common sense and practicality will prevail.
LC Dyle
11:54 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Chris and Katie make the most sense. I live in Birmingham, and understand why anyone who pays taxes in Troy would not want to have my city name on something they (Troy) paid for it. However, it is about the cities the rail station serves (it is located on the borderline) and not who paid for it. BTW - if you want to be purely technical about the money, the lion's share of funding came from state and federal tax money, which happens to include the citizens of both Troy AND Birmingham. Think of other examples: "Detroit Metropolitan Airport - DTW" is not located in Detroit, but Romulus (and their name is nowhere on that huge facility). Just saying.
CC
12:51 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I don't necessarily buy that having the Birmingham name in there would increase its marketability. On the other hand, it is right on the border of Troy and Birmingham, so I do see the point of marketing as a stop for both cities. Patrons really don't care what city is responsible for building it. I think we are putting a little too much stock in the name. If people are trying to travel to Birmingham, they can look on a map and see the Troy Transit Center would be the nearest stop.
Of all the issues to get worked up about, this would seem kinda low on the list. I really like the job that Michelle Hodge does for the Troy Chamber and the positivity she tries to bring to Troy, but its really not her call. If the council wants to keep the name as just Troy, then I can't see much of a big deal about that. I just don't see it making much of a difference either way.
Chris P.
4:11 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Name it Troy only, and it will always be Troy-centric. Seems to me, to be narrow thinking. But, then again, that seems consistent with Troy's behavior as of late. Interesting that folks like Dave Henderson and Doug Tietz would throw out the idea of partnering with the county for things like assessing and police protection, but something like this they get all territorial about. And to think they don't even think the thing is viable to begin with. They mystify me. And don't even remind me of how Wade Fleming is responsible for the "green" aspect of the project being eliminated. These guys couldn't be visionary if it was even just about crawling out the black hole of narrow mindedness they seem to reside in. Thank goodness Michele Hodges is in the mix to try to bring fresh, creative thinking.
Michele Hodges
2:18 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Hopeful for thoughtful contemplation regarding the pros and cons, I'd like to share the Chamber's rationale for including Birmingham in the transit center name. I welcome and seek to inspire high quality dialogue as we work together to find the option most likely to benefit Troy (it should be emphasized that providing the greatest benefit for Troy has grounded this thought process). With that said, the reasons for including Birmingham include 1) it reflects the considerable resources (staff as well as dollars) dedicated by Birmingham hitherto, keeping in mind the transit center likely would not exist without the support of B'ham; 2) the station actually loads within B'ham proper; 3) as demonstrated by its active participation in the process, it was B'ham's intent to be a part of the center only to be stymied by a land issue; 4) we believe there is value in good will, especially when it is collaborative, and not to the detriment of Troy; to be continued....
Michele Hodges
2:19 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
continuation from above.....5) there is a reasonable chance B'ham will eventually physically connect to the center, which must be planned for; 6) we believe Amtrak and other partners would see it as good business; 7) the funding model has not changed in that Troy is not paying a larger share and, in fact, the case could be made that B'ham put money and resources into the project, and will not receive a corresponding benefit; 8) travelers will be better oriented if the name is a more accurate representation of the geography; 9) Birmingham, like Troy, has an outstanding brand that makes sense to associate with; 10) and, lastly, we have reached out to the B'ham business community hoping to bring them to the table financially, but are not far enough along in the discussions to know what might transpire. The elements just stated form the Chamber's basis for including Birmingham in the name, and have enabled the conclusion that doing so constitutes a best practice, and poses no threat to Troy. Again, we look forward to continuing to work with Troy stakeholders to find the best possible solution.
dowindewdew
2:00 pm on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Should be called another place to POLICE andMAINTAIN no real need Sempta ,Amtrak havent worked