Did you ever think that maybe that's the way Chief Nelson wanted to be recognized?

I had the exact reaction as Sue did.....I have never seen such a poor recognition for someone who deserved so much more...She certainly should have called him to the podium and given him the proclamation from there. She is clueless and a continues to be an embarrassment to our city and its citizens

Anonymous, It certainly wasn't how he requested it. He's been to hundreds of meetings, and knows the usual procedure. He had his family there because he knew there would be photos and a proclamation at the podium.

Another example of her self-serving, selfish actions. She serves herself while minimizing or even denigrating those in the city who should be recognized. Daniels doesn't deserve our respect and brings shame to the position of Mayor. My vote will be YES TO RECALL. I urge others to do the same.

As I watched the council meeting on Monday evening, I also felt as though Chief Nelson's accomplishments were overlooked in favor of the mayor's son, Corporal Daniels. I am all for recognizing our men and women who are in the service and I am pleased that Corporal Daniels returned home safely, he deserved to be recognized.

Chief Nelson has achieved an extremely high honor. He leads a VOLUNTEER fire department when most of the receipients of honors such as this are from paid departments. Every town or city or township in Michigan has a fire chief-But our fire chief was the one upon whom this honor was bestowed. The actions of the mayor were reprehensible-how dare she treat him with disrespect? She continues to embarrass this city and its citizens. November's recall can't come soon enough-Please people of Troy, let's work together and remove Janice Daniels-enough is enough-

Janice gives the City of Troy another black eye!

She only gives recognition to those that help her gain politically.

What amazes me is how people can defend her abominable behavior. She showed no respect to our outstanding Fire Chief, yet complains if someone does not show her respect by calling her Mayor. What has she done to deserve it?

VOTE YES TO RECALL JANICE!

I am curious about all the OTHER council members. Were they aware of the lack of recognition planned for the fire chief? If so, shame on them. If not aware, why? Are they sitting there with their fingers in their ears, their hands covering their eyes? Especially the ex-chief of police.

Councilman Slater is a retired Captain - not the ex-chief
Just to clarify

Some of you people are getting a little scary............

Keep on pounding that 'Recall Janice Daniels' message home.

Next week it will be reported that she was spotted eating some chicken at Zendher's in Frankenmuth and that she's not supporting Troy businesses. It will be pointed out that the Troy Hooter's also serves chicken. BUT, if she was spotted eating at Hooter's, it would be 'by patronizing Hooters, the message she's sending to young girls of our city is that it's okay to dress sexually provocative to get further in life.'

We understand, she can do no right in your eyes.

I have heard numerous times of the 'black eye' Troy has, and 'what an embarrassment Troy is' because of the mayor. Perhaps it is the constant negativity directed at the mayor and the other three 'radicals with their special interests' by the same people over and over that is casting our city in a negative light. The negativity started just days after the election, before they were ever sworn into office, and hasn't stopped since.

If there is a way to screw things up, or make a craven, self-serving move, Janice Daniels will find it. That's just how she rolls.

Mark, this woman is a walking, talking debacle who deserves every brickbat thrown her way. No lie has been too big for her to tell, and no bigot has been too foul for her to befriend. So no, no slack from this citizen.

I wonder if some of the other Council members didn't say anything so the anti-Daniel's establishment would have yet another opportunity to throw mud on her reputation, adding fire to any black eye that the city may have. I'd question the leadership of anyone on Council that didn't step in at that point and correct the situation immediately. Any 'bad press' that the city receives from something like this happens only if it can help bad-mouth Daniels.

Sue, I was at the meeting and had a different take on the two proclamations. Chief Nelson probably should have been called to the podium for a photo opportunity, yes. Everyone in the audience clapped for him after the mayor warmly read the proclamation for him and asked him to stand. He got more than the “lackluster nod” you described; you’re seeing things through your “I dislike Mayor Daniels” lenses.

I don’t think being honored as Michigan Fire Chief of the Year deserves a standing ovation like putting your life on the line in combat service to our country. Living away from home in a war zone with people shooting at you to try to kill you messes with your mind and deserves greater honor, in my opinion.

Mayor Daniels set a good example for other military parents by asking Cindy Stewart to explain the city’s long-standing policy for having welcome-home signs available by contacting her, the Community Affairs Director. Hopefully more parents will take advantage of this opportunity for their young veterans returning from war zones. My understanding was that they also could get similar proclamations from the mayor in front of the city council, which would be a good thing!

I understand you’re angry with the mayor and will be voting to recall her, but please try to see the good things she is doing for our city. There are some, whether you believe it or not (the previous paragraph).

Dale, I understand that you disagree with my point of view. But to belittle it by saying it's based merely on a "dislike" of the Mayor is disingenuous.

I don't dislike the Mayor as a person...in fact, I don't even know her well enough to dislike her as a person. However, her actions as my Mayor have displeased many, many, MANY residents, and that displeasure is well-earned. She is a failed leader. I'm sure she has many positive qualities that serve her well in other venues.

Well said, Sue! I agree that more should have been said regarding the Chief's award recognition-No, I do not believe the other council members knew what she was planning to do Monday night when she had Chief Nelson stand at his seat and had her son join her at the podium. I understand she is a proud parent, as she should be, but to negate the importance of the award bestowed upon our fire chief was a selfish and self-centered act. If she had waited a week to honor Chief Nelson, perhaps she could have done it correctly.

She used her position as mayor to give herself an "award" by using her son for a blatant photo op.

She said she'd bring transparency to Troy's government. I guess this is what she meant.

Dale, really, you don't think being named Fire Chief of the Year deserves a standing ovation. This gentlemen has been putting his life and the lives of all the men and woman he commands on the line for close to 40 years. He has been an innovator, communicator, and a leader for the entire time he has been the Chief, not just for the one year the award covers. Did you read the proclamation? He deserves a standing 'O' jsut like the Mayor's son got. It's unfortunate that the mayor got carried away with her own little ceremony for her son (justly deserved, by the way), and forgot to properly honor this hero also. Honestly, your 'the Mayor can do no wrong' vision is every bit as insulting as your claim of 'don't like the Mayor' vision. This is an arguement you should have left alone. She made another error in judgment, and the criticism is warranted. Really, our Fire and Police are not worthy of standing 'O's', Unbelievable.

Please accept my sincere apology for the last two sentences in last night’s comment responding to Sue Martin. No amount of needling from a few people justifies the slam I gave to all recall supporters. It was unkind, unnecessary and disrespectful of you who care deeply about a cause that I disagree with. I’m sorry. Please forgive me.

Janice Daniels gives self-absorption new definition. SHAME ON HER. If she or anyone else who doesn't recognize how disrespectful her behavior was to Chief Nelson had ever had a fire in their home or been rescued by a fireman from that fire, they would have a clue. It's like insurance, it's a good thing when you don't need it. That's the position you want to be in. The Troy Fire Department does an excellent job with education, prevention and training. Thank you for all you do and have done, Chief Nelson!

Daffy/Matt, civility does not always mean agreement. Just because someone takes it personally and FEELS insulted does not mean that they were in fact insulted by the person they accuse of insulting them. Go back and read your past comments and mine from a neutral point of view. You’ll find that mine are civil, more so than yours.

I rarely use all caps (for emphasis, usually means shouting) or angry words to make my point, nor do I make wild statements about which I have little knowledge. I have not made any statements that were “absolutely false.” If I am proven wrong, I admit my error. Most of what we disagree about is a matter of opinion. We also have a different worldview.

I understand the reasons (they have made their points very clearly) why many of my neighbors want to recall the mayor and disagree with those reasons. I will get through it just fine IF the mayoral recall is successful; that remains to be seen. (I did apologize for the comment you were responding to, by the way.)

With politics you win some and lose some; you do your best to make a difference. Thanks for crossing swords with me. We agree on some things and disagree on others. I’d like to meet you sometime; we might find we have more in common than you think.

Dale,Dale, Dale......you lost credibility long ago. If you choose to serve our city in a positive way, come to terms with the facts and keep your personal distortions to yourself. I am sorry to say I can't find one thing Mayor Daniels has done to improve the state of our city. Mayor Daniels' violated the public trust and is unfit to serve as Mayor of the largest city in Oakland County. Her bigotry, mismanagement, lies and political games will not be tolerated. Voters will demand for her RECALL on November 6th.
Thank you Daffy Noodnicks , Cathy,Sue, Linda, Wiley C.,Barbara,John David,Henry,Ron for your attention to detail.

Daffy/Matt, we had a long discussion about what I wrote on the use of DDT; I don’t think we ever came to an understanding on that. What you just wrote as examples misrepresents my position on all of those, except that I did say that secularists believe the earth is millions of years old. Your summary above is an interpretation of what I wrote on various topics.

You said you (and many others, not just secularists) believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old. (Millions is still true, it’s just 4500 million, and secularists is a subset of all those who believe in an old earth.) I agree that the majority of people believe this today. I used to believe that; now after seeing some of the evidence and hearing more arguments for a young earth I’m not so sure. We do have a written record (the Bible) that states the earth is young, according to the most straightforward interpretations.

I’m not disrespecting the Jewish faith at all; I respect all sincerely held beliefs, including yours. I was merely disagreeing with Lisa Brown’s logic on abortion and her use of a pro-life argument from her Jewish faith to support her pro-abortion views. I didn’t know Noodnicks was Yiddish; that’s pretty cool.

I can understand why you get upset when you think your Jewish faith is being disrespected; I don’t like it when my King is belittled either. Both Jews and Christians share a long history of being disrespected, though. We have that and many other things in common, including the Old Testament.

I think we’ll have to leave this discussion here and agree that we see some things from different angles.

Here's the the thing Dale: every denomination of Jewish people has a requirement that until a certain stage in a pregnancy, abortion is required if the life of the mother is endangered. It's not an option. It is a requirement. This is based on literally thousands of years of Rabbinical scholarship.

When Lisa Brown spoke, she was entirely consistent with her faith, and Jewish law. The legislation in question had no exemption if the health of the mother was in danger. I thought you were ok with people standing up for their religious consciences. Or is it only when they are consistent with your own? The truth, I believe, is in your rush to judge her you did not take the time to understand.

You were also very clearly throwing mud on the way Jewish people vote and what you think they believe. Go back and take a look at what you wrote. It was not civil at all.

Life of the mother and health of the mother are not the same thing. “Health of the mother” is an exception big enough to drive an 18 wheeler through. Pro-life people object to this because it can include mental health. A woman could get an abortion because she has a note from her pro-abortion doctor (or the abortionist himself) saying she is depressed.

“Dr.” Kevorkian helped plenty of depressed people end their lives early when they had a terminal disease. Doctors are supposed to first do no harm, then help people live.

Our lives belong to God. We have no right to end another’s life early, whether it’s in the womb or in a nursing home. From conception (new DNA) to natural death, pro-life people are pro-life. That is consistent reasoning, backed up by science. Pro-choice people argue all the exceptions, but there is shaky logic for the exceptions. The vast majority of abortions are for convenience. And every abortion stops a beating heart.

I have great respect for religious scholarship, but no human being or group of humans has all the answers. Even the great Martin Luther had some crazy racist thoughts about the Jews, as Henry is fond of reminding us. Some of the other people he calls Christians when running down Christianity were not in fact Christians.

When it comes to ideas of people, you can take the good and leave the bad on the table. In this case the Jewish scholarship is very close. If they changed “required” to “allowed” they would be completely pro-life and not requiring something that 99.9% of people would choose anyway. Which trimester, by the way?

I would prefer that everyone be allowed their own conscience and not be forced to do something against it by the government or a church. Forcing someone to pay for someone else’s morning-after pill against their conscience is an assault on religious liberty and a travesty of justice, not “everyone making little sacrifices for the greater good.”

http://troy.patch.com/blog_posts/freedom-of-conscience-the-foundational-freedom

It’s yet another reason why President Obama should be returned to the private sector, where he can generate more jobs with book sales and speeches. He is a combination of the failed economic policies of FDR and the failed foreign policy of Jimmy Carter. Even Bill Clinton admits Romney has a stellar business background. It’s time for a change of ideas in the White House: Romney and Ryan!

Dale - when you pay for medical insurance the notion that you should have control over other people's healthcare needs is a rediculous notion to me. I have no idea how you can translate paying for health insurance into an assault on religious liberty. Someone else's health care decisions have nothing to do with you or your money. You pay for health insurance so that you can have medical care when you need it and how you need it. Your insurance premiums and health care decisions are your personal responsibility and other people's premiums and health care are their responsibility. You have nothing to do with it.

And if it makes you feel any better. You pay for someones viagra and blood pressure medication and I'll pay for the morning after pills and contraceptives.

I support capital punishment in principle for certain premeditated murders. The way it plays out in our court system in states that have it: a prisoner sits on death row for a despicable crime for years while his lawyers file endless appeals. It probably soaks up more public funds than life in prison would. Personally I don't think it's much of a deterrent.

Pro-life people hold both positions on capital punishment. I don't have a strong opinion on it. I oppose the taking of innocent human life. A baby has committed no crime before it is born.

John David, do you think it is right that the maximum sentence someone can receive in Norway is 21 years? Thus mass murderer Anders Brevik (27 fellow Norwegians) will be eligible for parole at age 53. Is that just for the families of the victims? How will they feel when the man who gunned down their loved one walks free after serving less than a year for every person he murdered? That's what happens when liberal thinking goes to the extreme in a country.

I know, we're the last Western country (besides Israel?) that allows "primitive" capital punishment in some "backward" states. But I'd rather live in America than anywhere else in the world.

Why don't you answer my questions, and I'll think about answering yours. I'm not sure that's really a relevant question.

Dale, under Norweigian law the maximum sentence for any crime is 21 years as you said. Under Norweigian law he can be paroled after 10 years, if he is judged to no longer be a danger. His sentence can be extended 5 years at a time, under Norweigian law, on a rolling basis for the rest of his life. Apparently the Norweigian people consider this to be just. I have read statements of families of victims that say they are gratified with the sentence and that he got what he deserved. The citizens of Norway have the right to determine for themselves what justice is. It's not my place to judge them on how to punish someone for even a crime as heinous as his.

Which means of execution do you support?

How the heck did this thread turn into a discussion on abortion and capital punishment?

Going back to the original point of the letter, Chief Nelson should have received more accolades than he did. He and Corporal Daniels both put their lives at risk...the geographical setting shouldn't affect the public's level of gratitude and recognition.

In the last council meeting, our current city manager, Mr. Culpepper, stated that the manner in which Chief Nelson was acknowleged was consisstet with how he (Mr. Culpeper) and Chief Neson wanted it to be. Anyone with any knowlege of how the agenda is prepared would have known that it is the city manager and his staff who prepare the agenda. It is they, not the mayor, who decides the format of all recognitions. Oh, but why let the facts get in the way when there is another opportuity to bash the mayor?