Stacy, it's the Kroger at the corner of Long Lake and Livernois. I drove by there earlier in the day and the signs were alongside the road like most signs are throughout the city. There was no evidence of 'illegal' placement and Kroger is only one of several businesses in that shopping plaza. So I don't think that Janice or Kroger would have the ability or authority to claim the signs were not legal. The signs were no where near the Kroger building itself. I can verify this because I am the person who took the picture shown in the article. The 'illegal' assertion is simply Janice's team trying to spin reality. She is out pulling signs out of the ground and her supporters know they have been caught red handed.

JimOfTroy, OK, so "YOU" admit that "YOU" are the one responsible for this lying and misleading article of:
"Photo Showing Troy Mayor, Supporter Walking with Recall Signs Goes Viral "

Janice Daniels was NOT! walking with Recall signs.

Janice Daniels supporter was NOT! walking with Recall signs..

The truth is, that neither Janice Daniels, nor her supporter , were walking with Recall signs. The story headline which you reported to Patch, is a lie.

If you had any decency, you would apologize, issue a correction story with the truth in it, and then have Patch correct and report the mistruths that your untrue and misleading story headline is spreading.

It is time for you people to admit that you have lied, mislead, and posted stories which are not true.

We shall soon see if you apologize, and make amends, or if you want to continue to divide the city of Troy with untruths and deceptions.

JimOfTroy,, It is time for you to Man up!

Ann, please consider getting professional help. I did not write the article...I took the picture. The picture shows what the picture shows. It is self evident and needs no explanation nor apology.

JimOfTroy,
Stop your personal attacks. Stop trying to shift everything in this city to an attack on others.

Man up JImOfTroy. Dont tell us that you just took a photo, and gave it to Patch with no story, and Patch make up the story all by themselves. There is no story without your photo. You already admitted that you were in a cohort is supplying the photo to this story, and to the false, untrue, and misleading out right lie of a headline.

It is your photo. if the headline is not what happened , then have Patch issue a correction, an apology, and make amends. Lets have some truths and honesty and get rid of all the misleadiing divisive stories and photos.

JimOfTroy, it is your photo. YOu know the story headline is not true. It is time to Man up and do the right thing.

Ann, while I did not write the article, I find it completely accurate and would not seek to change a single word. The article even contains a quote from one of the three people featured in the photo. Janice has apparently declined to add her statement. I think it's pretty obvious to most people what has transpired here. You can continue to whine about 'deception' further if you like...I'm done.

Ann,

To clarify, I have never met or spoken to JimOfTroy about this photo, and much of the information in this story was taken directly from one of the three people who is in the photo (Minesh Baxi). He told me he was there with Mayor Daniels and a Kroger employee to accompany that Kroger employee while he pulled up the signs, which Baxi said were placed without the property owner's permission (though Patch was not able to get a hold of the actual property owner Sunday night to confirm whether they wanted the signs there or not, since Kroger itself does not own the property at that corner).

If you read the story, you will see that we are explaining, using information from both "sides" of the recall, what is actually happening in this photo, which has been garnering quite a bit of attention since it was posted online. I encourage you to re-read the story carefully.

I hope that helps. Thank you!

Jen

Jen Anesi, thank you for commenting. I did read the story carefully; please see my post below for my objections. I would like to see Daniels recalled; I also am disappointed that the Patch stooped to what to me looks like spreading innuendo. Again, what is the STORY? It seems like the only item of interest here is the photo, and that there wasn't enough facts surrounding the photo to justify reporting on it. It just seemed---whether it was your intent or not---like an opportunity to pass on a juicy picture of the mayor with her recall signs. And I would sincerely hope that the Patch is better than that. I'm voicing this comment because I'm giving you credit for NOT intending to simply pass on innuendo---but am afraid that you're only making "our" side look bad by seemingly stooping to the same level as the mayor and her party.

I see, so they just happened to be in the area at the time and had nothing to do with a Kroger employee removing signs from property Kroger does not own? And that reflects poorly on the recall supporters?

We already know the mayors supporters copied, are stealing, and defacing recall signs. Someone was caught illegally removing a Yes Recall sign this week. And Ann thinks shame on recall supporters for standing up for their city to remove an inept mayor who is bringing shame and damage to our city.

Ann, as I recall you don't even live in Troy, so I can see how you would be ignorant and uninformed because you are probably only spoon fed misinformation about Troy. You shouldn't judge people who live here and are standing up for their city against unbalanced ideologues.

You apparently did not read my prior post. It is not Kroger's property. So, it is okay for Janice to go to residents and businesses and try to convince them to remove the signs? What about all of the No signs in front of vacant office buildings? Did the No crowd have permission? I haven't been aware that any recall supporters are calling those owners to remove the signs. But, you still feel, putting the signs up "illegally" is worse than stealing others signs. So now you want the Police, who are already stretched thin, to look at security tapes to see who put the signs there? Give me a break!!! I'll bet you are the first to complain about how much you pay in taxes. So, go ahead make this all the fault of the recall group. After all, isn't it common practice among the group of Janice supporters to always play the victim? I sound upset? Rightfully so! I am disgusted with the behavior of the gang of Janice supporters that have caused the divide in this fine city.

That is not true. In fact, quite the opposite of your misleading statement.

Lets have some truth, for a change.

Actually, Janice Daniels, got more votes for mayor, than any other mayoral candidate, ever!, in the entire history of the city of Troy.

Uh, Ann...I know you aren't actually from Troy, so I will excuse your lack of knowledge on Troy's history. Daniels got 7,709 votes. In 2007, Louise Schilling got 8,725 votes.

So your pursuit for some truth is coming up empty. But I thank you for you interest in MY city. You should think about moving here. It's really nice...and will be even nicer on November 7th.

Carol,
I don't know if you are aware of this but a third of the Recall signs have "disappeared" since being put up. A person was caught last week illegally removing legally placed Recall signs. As a Troy resident, it IS newsworthy to me to know that my mayor is actively involved in removing signs, legally or illegally, we will find out more I'm sure. Keep on reporting, Patch.

CC
Nobody anywhere in the country will want to move to the divided hateful city of Troy. NO, it is not nice. The people of Troy are not nice. The people of Troy only want to fight with each other and vocal minorities want to overrule elections and personally attack any and all that are different. The city of Troy will have one recall after another, in endless turmoil and uncertainty which will keep the decent abiding civil people from ever coming to Troy.

Ann: There are about 80,000 that live in Troy. There are about 60,000 voters. About 7,700 people voted for her. I'd say that was a minority,

Let's talk about truth. This is about character. Janice has proven herself to lie, cheat, and now steal. Really. You think she should be representing the citizens of Troy? I think not. It is my constitutional right to say so, both verbally and with my vote. VOTE YES TO RECALL JANICE DANIELS. I already did.

Ann, I'm sorry, but I've been unable to find my original source for the information on the election results. As "CC" and "Cathy" mention, I did find that Daniels received about 7700 votes, and that there are about 62,000 adults living in Troy, so she was elected by 12% (a clear minority) of adults in Troy. I could not find out how many of the adults were actually registered voters. If you can provide me a source that shows I'm wrong in the statement I made, I will apologize for my mistake. In fact, I do apologize for making such a statement without also citing my (credible) source for the numbers. I was going by memory. I'm eager for any sources to which you might point me that prove me wrong, because I don't want to be guilty of spreading misinformation.

Carol,

This link provides the past election results in Troy. Schilling did receive more votes in 2007 than Daniels did in 2011. So you are right.

http://troymi.gov/Election/PastElectionResults/

Why would someone send a photo of a Kroger employee removing illegal signs from Kroger's property, to the tv news?

What they should do, is they should send the Kroger security camera video to the Troy Police to arrest the people who put up these illegal signs.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

A city cannot peacefully exist, without law and order. The recall people should not be allowed to dump the city of Troy into anarchy. The people who illegally put up these signs on other people's property, should be arrested, tried, and punished.

The first order of business, the highest priority, is to maintain law and order. If our police, and our courts, do not do that, then all is lost. Yes! The Troy police detectives should get on this right away.

I agree there is a divide but mostly between the liberal democrats, the extreme republicans and those who are sick and tired of both. Unless all residents can agree to live by the charter and be NONPARTISAN and respect each others differences, the divide will continue. Very unfortunate!

ann galen, this too shall pass, and will be a minor blip in the history of Troy once this election passes.

Also, since you are not a Troy resident, I am dumbfounded at your commentary and "concern" over Troy.

This is not a minor blip, and it will NOT pass. The recall people are not going to give up and support and accept Janice Daniels no matter how many votes she gets in this recall.

What this recall is all about is half of Troy not accepting an election and their desire to overrule the election of Mayor Janice Daniels.

If the recall is successful, then Troy will be ruled by a 3-3 City Council, which means nothing of any consequence will get done. The 3-3 Council will not agree since it too is as divided as the 2 factions of this city. Regardless, in the next election of mayor Janice Daniels will run again, and she will probably win again. Then the recall obama people will again start another recall election.

If this recall is unsuccessful, the obama recall people will immediately petition for another recall election again next year. There is no limit to how many recall elections the obama recall people will hold.

IF Janice Daniels defeats this recall, why on earth would the recall people then give up and accept Janice Daniels as their mayor? You are crazy if you think the recall people will abide by and support Janice Daniels if she defeats this recall. The recalls will continue forever, over and over again. The elected leaders of Troy will not be able to govern, will not be able to address the long term problems of Troy because of the endless recall elections being held each year for now on.

The city of Troy is in chaos, and is ungovernable.

Stacy, unfortunately, all residents can NOT agree to live by the charter and can NOT be NONPARTISAN and can NOT respect each others differences, so, the divide WILL continue, without end.

Moreover, this divide, this nonacceptance of orderly elections, is not the problem. This recall election is just a symptom of the real problem. The real problem is that a very vocal minority is trying to undermine and overrule the orderly governing body of Troy and bring chaos to the city.

Furthermore, this divide in the city has overflowed to neighbor hating neighbor, infighting, and half the city disliking and attacking the other half, far out shadowing the single issue of a recall. The city is at war against itself, and there is no compromise, no accepting nor attempting to get along.

Ann,
I was curious...you speak with such definitiveness and surety about the current state and future of Troy, more so than any of us who actually live here. What is the basis for your statements? Do you have connections here? Are you a student of political philosophy and general group behavior and psychology?

cookiepro2,
Why do you people always want to change the focus away from the real issue?
Why do you always want to talk about, investigate, or attack those who are not divisive?
I suggest that you people stop attacking those who won the election you lost, those who want order and who accept stable government, and instead, work to prevent untruths such as this trashy untrue story of "Janice Daniels walking with recall signs", which she is clearly not doing. If you cant police yourselves, if you wont allow order and stable governing, then Troy will self destruct.

The recall people should not be lying and falsifying and making up misleading stories and trying to make them "go viral" in order to steal the election by dishonest means.

If the recall people had any decency, they would quit trying to divide the city,they would quit trying to personally attack the citizens behaving in good fatih.

IF the recall people had any second thoughts of not trashing Troy, then, instead, they would argue the issues - argue Janice Daniels ran as a candidate pledging that she would fight the transit center, argue that Janice Daniels ran as a candidate pledging that she would reopen the Troy Public Library on Saturdays ( the day most people need the library the most), and that as Mayor Janice Daniels did exactly what she promised she would do.

Be honest for once, and argue that you want Janice Daniels recalled because she did what she said.

You prove my point. This is not just about a recall. This is about hate, and being divisive, and about verbally and physically attacking anyone who does not agree with the liberal obama recall people. The real goal, as you demonstrate, is to personally attack, to provoke, to call names and deride the silent majority who respect and accept elections.

You prove my point. This is not just about a recall. This is about hate, and being divisive, and about verbally and physically attacking anyone who does not agree with the liberal obama recall people. The real goal, as you demonstrate, is to personally attack, to provoke, to call names and deride the silent majority who respect and accept elections.

JimOfTroy,
Janice Daniels was NOT! walking with Recall signs.
Janice Daniels supporter was NOT! walking with Recall signs..
The truth is, that neither Janice Daniels, nor her supporter , were walking with Recall signs. The story headline which you reported to Patch, is a lie.

If you had any decency, you would apologize, issue a correction story with the truth in it, and then have Patch correct and report the mistruths that your untrue and misleading story headline is spreading.It is time for you people to admit that you have lied, mislead, and posted stories which are not true.

We shall soon see if you apologize, and make amends, or if you want to continue to divide the city of Troy with untruths and deceptions.

JimOfTroy,, It is time for you to Man up!

Rule #1 as a public figure: Always speak as if a microphone is ON
Rule #2 as a public figure: Always behave as if a camera is ON
Rule #3 as a public figure: See rules #1 and 2
Obviously Janice has been too busy stirring up trouble in Troy, embarrassing the city and its residents and trying to keep her "job" to educate herself on these important and obvious rules of engagement.

Completely agree. The Tea Party express in Troy is a train wreck. The Tea Party view in other communities may be productive, but here it is not. It's leader, Mayor Daniels, admits the city budget overwhelms her, after spending several years spouting her views on it. This is indefensible. Troy Tea Party: get someone who knows what they're talking about and I'll give you another look. For now, your credibility is gone.

Almost 9,000 people signed a petition saying she she has done plenty to merit a recall and does not get a passing grade. You are entitled to your opinion, it does not make you right.

Also, how is the transit center a "huge tax burden" for Troy? Paid for by Federal funds, and maintenance will be taken care of by C of C.

Uh, because Mr. Mineh Baxi is in the photo? Is there something else he is known for that would make him relevant to Troy residents?

I was also told that the Mayor did not ask for the signs to be removed that she was simply shopping and the photo with her was just coincidental. I suggested they take a closer look at the picture. She is walking in the parking lot with a supporter and a Kroger employee who is holding 2 signs, the picture tells a different story. Nonetheless, I am more bothered that Kroger, a Troy business, is being dragged into this mess.

Stacy, thank you for taking the time to bring additional facts to light. I agree with and appreciate your perspective above. Let me add one additional fact to the conversation since I was the person who witnessed and photographed this activity. Immediately prior to the photo, Janice was present on the sidewalk at the corner of Long Lake and Livernois with the other two gentlemen in the picture. At that moment, she was clearly not shopping at Kroger. She may have done so before or after that...but whoever told you that she was there as a 'coincidence' while shopping, well I don't think they were being entirely forthcoming.

Thanks Jim! Of course the persons I spoke to were not there yesterday and are trying to fill in the pieces of what happened, I spoke with 2 Kroger personal. I made it very clear to both persons that Kroger was in my best interest and I am not pleased that the Troy businesses are being dragged into this mess. It may be the Mayor went grocery shopping with Mr. Baxi, that's their business. But it was very wrong for the Mayor to be seen walking away with a Kroger employee carrying the campaign signs. Shame on her for putting that employee and the business in that position. Also, I should note, for future elections, candidates and their supporters should know what businesses and/or plazas allow or do not allow campaign signs. Hopefully a lesson learned by all!

She's been around for a while. Janice Daniels led the charge to vote against funding our public library 3 times!

She is an easy target be cause she lacks common sense. On another note...I wonder if she had them remove the other illegally placed sings as well? or just the ones she didn't like.

"She is just on a side of people of Troy..." You have got to be kidding...she's only on the side of a specific type of people in Troy...if you are gay, black, jewish, asian or muslim; you are not considered on her "side of people". Just look at the people she does side with and that's enough reason to recall her.

She's an easy target because she has been so profoundly and consistently awful. She has brought this recall on herself.

What exactly has she done to reduce the size of government or taxes? Nothing. Your ideological sound bites are meaningless and have nothing to do the issue at hand.

It's kind of like the town drunk getting caught sneaking out of somebody's garage with a case of beer under his arm and saying "I'm just disposing of this because it's beyond the freshness date"

K. Niner, I did call the Kroger store and spoke with a supervisor last night, but they have a VERY strict "no comment" policy when it comes to the media, so I got no information from them.

I called their corporate communications office first thing this morning (twice) and am still awaiting a return call. I will update the story with any additional information I get.

Thank you for your feedback!

You obviously don't read all the comments. The recall group is full of Republicans, Independents and Democrats. They are all concerned Troy citizens that care about their city and the damage being done to its stellar reputation. You should read today's Letter to the Editor - We Are All Tired of the Games Being Played - for more about how the supporters of Janice operate. By the way, I am a Republican.

I didn't even know she existed until the election or much about her until well after she was mayor. If it wasn't for her outrageous behavior, I probably still would know much about her. An enormous number of Troy voters thought she has been sufficiently bad that a recall is appropriate, which is a democratic right under our democratic state constitution. Even if you don't like it. This is not a blow for ordinary citizens serving, this is holding public officials accountable for bad behavior. Holding an elected representative responsible for their actions is NOT a personal attack.

Actually Mary Ann, I mean firelight, the appropriate way to deal with Janice Daniels is exactly the way it was dealt with. Recall. It's the option for getting rid of elected officials when the citizens don't like the way they are doing things. It's constitutional and legal. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not appropriate. By the way, Daniels would disagree with you about America being a democracy. She would be very quick to tell you it's a republic, not a democracy. You might want to try and understand the political philosophies of those you choose to represent you a little more closely.

firelight,

Janice says we are a republic. All her true followers believe this and that America is not a democracy and should not be one. Go to her website, click on the link to the no recall website, then find the link to S.H.I.E.L.D. That linked website says that recalls are a slippery slope that will "morph" America frm a republic to a democracy. If you believe as you state that America is a democracy, read those websites closely and you should realize you are mistaken about Daniels and what she is all about.