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Rifle-Carrying Troy Teen 'Pretty Confident' at Tuesday Pre-Trial Hearing

Sean Combs, 18, was arrested in downtown Birmingham April 13 after he was found openly carrying a loaded rifle.

 

Sean Combs, the 18-year-old Troy High School senior who was arrested by Birmingham Police last month while walking through downtown Birmingham with a rifle slung over his shoulder, is set to attend an evidentiary hearing in three weeks after attending a pre-trial hearing Tuesday afternoon in front of Judge Marc Barron in 48th District Court in Bloomfield Hills.

Combs pleaded not guilty May 1 on charges of brandishing a firearm, disorderly conduct and obstructing an officer – all misdemeanor offenses that each carry a maximum 93-day sentence and $500 fine.

Combs' attorney, Jim Makowski, said he plans to file a motion to dismiss the case entirely within the next couple weeks, saying Birmingham Police violated Combs' rights when they stopped him without cause.

"I think Birmingham Police just didn't like what he was doing, and I think what they did was wrong," said Makowski, who specializes in Second Amendment law.

Makowski said all the other charges would be void if the stop itself were unconstitutional, which he believes it was. Once Makowski files the motion to dismiss, the city of Birmingham has seven days to respond.

Meanwhile, Combs maintains he was wrongfully arrested and fully within his legal rights to openly carry the loaded M1 Garand rifle, which he had recently received as a gift from his parents for his 18th birthday.

"I'm pretty confident," Combs said. "Not overly confident, because anything can happen, but I think it's going to be definitely arguable, if nothing else."

A hearing date has not yet been set.

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Do you think Combs was within his legal right to openly carry his rifle? Should he be punished for his actions? Tell us in the comments.

Donna Kay

5:09 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

What about my rights to shop or walk in Birmingham without feeling scared or threatened. There is no way of knowing if a person carrying a loaded weapon is angry, enraged, looking for retaliation or mentally ill. This teenager way overstepped his rights and trampled all over mine. If he likes guns so much, try the recruiter next.

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HDSA

5:34 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I don't think one can ever completely remove the need be aware of danger, or as you put it, "scared or threatened." Any two-ton car driving past can be a threat; the law even clasifies cars as deadly weapons. What about knives, baseball bats, golf clubs? Even if you believe a legally carried firearm is different, then you need to direct your concerns toward legislation, not the teen, who was doing nothing different in the eyes of the law than carrying a twinkie down the street.

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Stephen Natale

7:42 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

How did he overstep his rights? He did nothing illegal! If YOU don't like guns you have the right to stay in you house. This is America and people have rights. Was that a strange thing to do...Yes. But LEGAL. People always have some stupid comment like "If he likes guns so much, try the recruiter next." Why should HE do something different because YOU have the problem? Do you enjoy using your freedom of speech right now? All of our rights are equal. Whether you agree with which ones people choose to exercise or not! YOU have the right to move to an Anti-Gun, Anti-Freedom state like NY or CA where they regularly remove constitutional protections from people. Your OPINION does not trump a RIGHT!

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SezEye

4:21 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Donna,

Please state the law, regulation, or constitutional article that states that you have a "right" to "shop or walk in Birmingham without feeling scared or threatened". Like you, I have no way of knowing if YOU will suddenly translate your fear and loathing of others into sudden violent action. Should you be arrested and forced to stay in your house or in jail for the rest of your life?

He was exercising his rights in compliance with the law, whereas you dream up a "right" to justify your unreasonable fear.

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SezEye

4:21 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Donna,

Please state the law, regulation, or constitutional article that states that you have a "right" to "shop or walk in Birmingham without feeling scared or threatened". Like you, I have no way of knowing if YOU will suddenly translate your fear and loathing of others into sudden violent action. Should you be arrested and forced to stay in your house or in jail for the rest of your life?

He was exercising his rights in compliance with the law, whereas you dream up a "right" to justify your unreasonable fear.

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mick Mick

12:39 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

YOU do not have a right to not feel scared! Are u stupid?

Clinton Baller

9:49 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Definitely arguable. No question. Me? I'd go with the Twinkie defense. Absolutely.

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Poppleton Park

9:28 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Well all this 'empowering' and making our kids 'independent' has really paid off.

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Paul Taros

10:16 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

If you feel scared or threatened, that is your problem, not his. He did not break a law and was fully within his rights.

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R Jeppostol

10:21 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I think the police did the right thing in stopping him and talking to him, but they shouldn't have arrested him. I don't think the charges will stand, nor do I think they ought to for this nice young gentleman.

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R Jeppostol

10:22 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Wow, just compare the present picture to the mugshot from the arrest. Makes a huge difference towards establishing this young man's credibility.

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Wiley Coyote

11:01 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

It also makes a case for the police having good reason to stop him suspecting he was under 18. He looks about 15 in the above picture and his resisting showing an ID makes it perfectly reasonable to me that they would make an arrest on obstruction at the very least. If I'm on the jury, case closed.

If nothing else, this kid is an immature attention-seeker who used a loaded deadly weapon to make some sort of point. Who among the "responsible" NRA members out there think this little stunt was positive PR for young gun enthusiasts in a time when Columbine, Virginia Tech, etc. are a top-most fear for parents sending their kids to schools? The legal arguments will be settled in court, not here. But if you're for gun rights, a crazy-looking kid with a gun does not help your cause.

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free thinker

11:32 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Well it always concerns me when people equate not talking to police as resisting them. If you are walking down the street with a weed wacker, should the police stop you, then arrest and jail you for doing nothing other than carry a tool that others do not like? After all you could possibly kill hundreds before you ran out of line correct?

Not wanting to be entered in a database for abiding by the law seems smart to me. When the police can control, your movements, speech, rights, etc.... that's called a POLICE STATE. Sad that the city will waste funds on a bad case, which will in the end cost them dearly in Federal court.

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Wiley Coyote

11:48 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

A weed whacker? Really. A police state? Please. If someone called the police and said, hey, there's a kid with a dopey, crazy grin (see his mugshot picture) holding a loaded gun in the middle of town (he admitted he had it off his shoulder and had been showing it to curious teens), the police would have no choice but to respond.

Why won't you defenders of this kid go to common-sense land? It was a stupid thing to do, and now he's getting the attention he craved. It makes all gun owners who defend him look like nuts. I ask it again, is this the image responsible gun owners want portrayed to the general public who views gun-carrying teens with deep fear and suspicion? I hope someone is trying to talk some sense into this young man--go shoot your rifle where it's safe if you want to use it, but don't try to elevate your sense of self-worth by carrying it around like a pretend soldier in a town with one of the lowest crime rates in the country.

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R Jeppostol

3:42 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Wiley, bottom line is he broke no laws prior to the police accosting him. It doesn't matter what you or I think.

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mick Mick

12:43 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

No choice but to respond! LOL

Julie Sigler

11:50 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Thank you to the alert Birmingham police who did not risk the safety of the people they are sworn to protect, when faced with a young man who has not acquired common sense.

I hope a parent or someone else has explained to Sean how openly carrying a weapon put his own and his girlfriend's safety and well-being in danger.

Surely he could find thrills and notoriety by using his weapon responsibly, for instance, to win prizes or honors which will awe others, rather than by using his weapon to intimidate or scare others.

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SezEye

4:04 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Sounds to me like the only danger he was in was from the police overstepping their authority.

Joe

12:44 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Technically, he was legally allowed to do what he did, but still doesn't negate how stupid it is. An 18 year old walking around Birmingham with a loaded rifle and a round in the chamber?!?!

I'm glad he got arrested before something really bad happened. Even if the charges are thrown out (which I would be fine with), his parents should take the rifle back for acting like an idiot. This case is not what "open carry" and "right to bear arms" laws are meant for. Use some sense kid.

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R Jeppostol

3:43 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

What are "Open Carry" and "the right to bear arms," meant for than Joe? Please explain.

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Joe

5:24 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

R Jeppostol - I would say the main point of those laws are to allow people to be prepared in "self defense" situations, if they want or feel they need to be. Do you honestly think this kid was carrying it for this reason? No, but the law states that you're allowed to carry, without having to explain or prove your reasoning, so he shouldn't get charged.

However, a teenager showing off his new rifle in public while it's loaded and there is a round in the chamber just screams stupidity to me, and I don't know how it wouldn't to anyone else. If he didn't do anything wrong legally, fine, but his parents should have something they can do to knock some sense into him.

I'm sure it would've helped the Michigan Open Carry supporters' argument a whole lot had he accidentally shot someone.

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SezEye

4:14 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Your assumption that "something bad was going to happen" is just that, an assumption. Also, I find it interesting that you are glad that someone was arrested for complying with the law as it is written. What are you going to be glad of next, Someone being arrested for buying a soda out of a soda machine?

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Joe

9:31 am on Friday, May 25, 2012

Sez - I wanted to reply to your comment with reasoning and common sense, but your "arrested for buying a soda" reference was so ridiculous and off the point that I couldn't get myself to bother.

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SezEye

10:26 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012

Joe,
There is NO difference between carrying a gun in compliance with the law and buying a soda from a soda machine in compliance with the law. Both are lawful activities and and should be treated exactly the same way by the police. I find it interesting that based on your assumption that "something really bad" was going to happen you approve arresting someone engaged in a lawful activity. In the case of buying a soda from a soda machine, he MIGHT be on the verge of diabetic coma, which MIGHT cause him to have a automobile accident, which MIGHT cause the deaths of 50 children when he runs into a school bus causing it flip over a bridge railing and falling 150 feet crushing everyone into strawberry paste. Thus arresting him for buying a soda from a soda machine would save 50 lives. How is the instant example any different? Both are are legal activities, both COULD result in the loss of life. Thank god you don't get to determine who gets arrested and who doesn't.

free thinker

1:06 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

@ wiley. Please cite a link to any reports, documents etc... where Mr. Combs admitted he was handling the rifle in public. Thanks in advance.

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free thinker

1:26 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

http://i.word.com/idictionary/brandishing

What you have described doe not meet the legal definition of brandishing anyway. So again he did something you do not like. Sorry that is not a crime, thankfully . Do I think carrying a rifle should be against the law. No in fact for him it was the easiest option due to our laws in MI anyone between of 18 & 20 cannot buy a pistol from a FFL. Yet we send them off to war? Kind of a mixed up logic there? These young folks also cannot carry concealed because one under 21 cannot get a CPL, so that is not an option for them as the law is written today. Most the posters here seem to have issue with seeing a firearm, so why not change the law to allow them to conceal?

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Jeff

3:06 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I wonder how much money the 18 year old (going on 10) won from the bet I'm he had with his friend(s). Again, no one is arguing his right to carry his loaded weapon in public. We are questioning his lack of judgment. He knew exactly what he was doing to gain his "15 minutes of fame." Sad to say, I'm sure his parents were quite proud of his "stunt."

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Mike Hunt

11:58 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

The better question is how much money do you think he is going to win in federal court for having his civil rights violated?

Wiley Coyote

3:24 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Free Thinker: this is the article I was thinking of--http://troy.patch.com/articles/witness-troy-teen-arrested-for-carrying-rifle-was-in-his-legal-right. I was mistaken on his admitting he had it off his shoulder--apologies. However, my assumption is he handled it while talking to the "curious kids." Let's see what actual witnesses say in court.

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R Jeppostol

3:45 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Lol, the proverbial acme anvil just dropped on your argument coyote.

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mick Mick

12:56 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

WOW, so u can carry it but don't touch it??

Wiley Coyote

3:58 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Not necessarily, anvil dropper. We'll see what the kids who were there say if they're called to testify to his actions prior to the police showing up.

Doesn't ultimately matter if the obstruction of justice charges stick. Do believe it's the felony, is it not?

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SezEye

4:11 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

It does matter if the charges stick. It seems that you believe being simply accused of a felony means that you are guilty and should be punished.

I accuse you of murder, does that make you guilty and subject to immediate execution?

Jan Wisnewski

9:00 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Wiley.........you are obliviously not a US citizen. You have no idea about our Constitutional rights or our Amendments. Therefore, I recommend that you educate yourself before you type another word.

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Nancy Hanus

12:41 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

A comment has been removed for violating Patch's terms of service. Refrain from attacking other commenters or your comments will be deleted and you will be banned from commenting on Patch. We encourage respectful dialogue, and will not tolerate disrespect of other commenters.

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Cristian Teodoridis

10:34 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

People should really stand back and let the courts do their job (hopefully). We should try to take emotion out of it.

According to the law, the B'ham police were in the wrong and they may very well face legal action.

Here is what the law says:

Officers are reminded that the Fourth Amendment protects citizens from unreasonable searches and seizures. Carrying a nonconcealed firearm is generally legal. Officers may engage in a consensual encounter with a person carrying a non-concealed pistol; however, in order to stop a citizen, officers are required to have reasonable suspicion that crime is afoot. For example, officers may not stop a person on the mere possibility the person may
be carrying an unregistered pistol. Officers must possess facts rising to the level of reasonable suspicion to believe the person is carrying an unregistered pistol.

Officers are also reminded there is no general duty for a citizen to identify himself or herself to a police officer unless the citizen is being stopped for a Michigan Vehicle Code violation.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf

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Mike Hunt

12:58 am on Friday, May 18, 2012

I predict that Birmingham's insurance carrier will be paying a claim after the city, police chief, and the individual officers are sued in federal court. I also predict that the city of Birmingham will settle without a trial. This is the standard operating procedure for suits like this. Grand Haven, Warren, and Southgate all settled without a trial.

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BabzStanwyck

9:36 am on Friday, May 18, 2012

Yo, White Puffy: Take your 2nd Amendment act back to your homey-town without a downtown if you want to make a statement. Da Troy Po-Po would be on your pale behind like white on rice. Grow up, punk! I hope you're already registered for the draft.

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Mike Hunt

11:00 am on Friday, May 18, 2012

Actually the Troy Police Department is much more knowledgeable about firearm laws and would never subject themselves to "Color of Law" prosecution.

Cristian Teodoridis

12:54 pm on Friday, May 18, 2012

Not sure who "babz" is referring to, but we definitely don't need this kind of racial thuggery in our conversation. I flagged her comment as inappropriate.

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mark otto

12:20 am on Saturday, May 19, 2012

The funnier headline would have been " Wimpy teen gets robbed of rifle by man with a pistol. Now that would have been funny.

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Mike Hunt

11:59 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012

"Wimpy teen shoots and kills man trying to rob him at gunpoint."

Mike Hunt

1:47 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

A big rally by gunowners in support of this guy is planned for the June 11th Birmingham Council Meeting. Gun totting supportes from all over the metro detroit area are planning on converging in Birmingham carrying rifles just like this young man did. Let's see if the Birmingham police are preparred to violate the civil rights of all these people. Come show your support with an openly and lawfully carried gun. Here's a link for more information:

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?102450-OC-dinner-city-council-meeting-in-Birmingham-on-June-11th

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Sam Adams

8:29 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Have already been there and spoke with Birmingham PD. THEY can do nothing...because it is legal. Shame on them for profiling. ooopppssss

Jennifer Nolan

10:14 am on Wednesday, June 13, 2012

Yes, the kid has his rights, but.....because there are soooo many "NUTS" running around, I think the police should have the right to check anyone out that is sporting a gun/riffle. It sounds to me the trouble began when the kid got cocky!! That's where he should have been more respectful of the police if he wanted to prove a point or win a bet! Whatever .... Sounds more like a smart aleck kid!

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SezEye

10:38 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012

Why stop at anyone sporting a gun/riffle? Drug dealers and users carry drugs pretty much anywhere on their body. Using your policy, the police should have the "right" to do a strip search on anyone, at anytime, and anyplace. Basically what you are describing and advocating for is a unrestricted police state. Can anyone say Russia? How about Germany in the late 30's? Cambodia in the 70's?

Respect is earned, a policeman that exceeds his authority does not deserve respect.

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mick Mick

1:04 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

There are thousands of people driving w/o a drivers license, should the cops be allowed to pull anyone over that they fell like to check their drivers license, even though they did nothing wrong? You are sounding cocky right now? should the police come arrest you?

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Mike Hunt

7:45 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

You are right that he should have been more respectful of the police, Jennifer. That's why he was charged with "Contempt of Cop."

Paul Taros

1:51 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012

Last time I looked being cocky or a smart aleck was not against the law.

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Mike Hunt

7:43 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012

Evidently it is in Birmingham.

john

11:58 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

in michigan you do not have to talk to a police officer. you can walk away at anytime unless you are being detained as well you do not have to show them your id. yes just showing your id saves a bunch of time and bs but it is your right to refuse. weapons being openly carried or concealed carried should make u feel safe. for instance in the CO movie theatre shooting. if one person would have been carrying alot less people would have been hurt or killed

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