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Somerset Collection Squashes Breastfeeding 'Flash Mob'

Management and security told St. Clair Shores resident Mary Napoli that she and almost a dozen other moms could not breastfeed in public in the mall Sunday afternoon.

 
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A small group of women participating in a breastfeeding flash mob at The Somerset Collection Sunday afternoon were told by mall security and management that they were not allowed to conduct the flash mob at The Somerset Collection. One mom, St. Clair Shores resident Mary Napoli, was told she was not allowed to nurse in public in the mall.
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A small group of women participating in a breastfeeding flash mob at The Somerset Collection Sunday afternoon were told by mall security and management that they were not allowed to conduct the flash mob at The Somerset Collection. One mom, St. Clair Shores resident Mary Napoli, was told she was not allowed to nurse in public in the mall.

What was supposed to be a peaceful breastfeeding flash mob at The Somerset Collection Sunday afternoon was shut down after mall management and security confronted the event’s organizer, Mary Napoli.

"They wouldn't let us do it," Napoli, of St. Clair Shores, said. Napoli had organized the event along with In Home Lactation Specialists, LLC.

As one of 11 women who came to the event, Napoli had just sat down to start nursing her 1-year-old son when a security guard confronted her and told her she needed to stop.

When Napoli said she didn't understand why they couldn't do it, the security guard said, "We do not allow flash mobs."

But Napoli, who breastfed both her sons, thought it was about more than just a flash mob.

When she asked, "So, you don't allow nursing in the mall?" a mall manager replied: "Not in public, we don't."

Michigan state law says that public nudity laws do not apply to a woman breastfeeding a child, though Michigan is not one of the 45 states that specifically allow women to breastfeed in any public or private location.

"Clearly, feeding your child a meal is offensive to do in the rest of this part of the mall, even though according to the state of Michigan, it's permissible and encouraged," Napoli said.

Edward Nakfoor, spokesperson for The Somerset Collection, said in a statement issued Sunday evening that the mall does allow breastfeeding, though it does not allow "demonstrating or protesting of any kind, as we are private property."

"I am extremely disappointed in the sheer ignorance of Somerset Collection," said lactation consultant Brandy Walters, who was present when the flash mob was dispelled. "I know the breastfeeding community will be supporting Mary."

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Related Topics: Breastfeeding, Nursing, The Somerset Collection, and flash mob

Kristen Kurze Woudstra

8:42 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

How dare they think they have the right to "allow" or "disallow" a mother to feed her child? Shame on you, Somerset Collection.

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Jen Anesi

11:37 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

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Adam Dray

12:11 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

LOL They weren't 'feeding' their child out of NEED they were doing so for publicity stunt. HOW DARE THEY think they can do something as revealing without causing a problem. This isn't a single mother needing to feed her child, this is a group of people looking for attention BY BREASTFEEDING. BUZZZZZ WRONG! THAT is exposure!! Otherwise explain to me why they are calling it a 'flash mob'...aka group of people attempting to garner publicity and attention froms trangers by doing something 'that catches the eye'. IN this case, public indescency and exposure....WRONG. There's astrip clubs for that!!

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Erica

12:16 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

This lady who filmed this video is missing the point, its about NO FLASH MOBS and then goes on to say when the mall could not be reached for comment yet the article says

Edward Nakfoor, spokesperson for The Somerset Collection, said the mall does allow breastfeeding, though it does not allow "demonstrating or protesting of any kind, as we are private property.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT LADY

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Poot

12:21 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

let's all exploit our children without their permission for the media.

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Jen Anesi

12:24 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Erica, at the time the video was made, our calls to the mall had not yet been returned. As soon as they gave us a statement later into the evening, I immediately inserted it into the story.

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Erica

12:30 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Jen, how about updating your video so to not make it one sided????

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Adam Dray

12:32 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

@Erica because then it wouldn't be a controversial story........

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Atom

12:44 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Of course they have the "right" to breast feed their child in public.....just as I have the "right" to sing show tunes in a crowded elevator..........it just doesn't make it RIGHT!!!
Discretion is what is lacking here, these women are just creating an issue and being obnoxious in their "right" to feed their child....I breast fed my children but didn't need to create a scene each time I did. Enough with the drama mamas!!!

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Angela Gusta

11:23 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Sorry, but you are SOOOOOOOOOO wrong there.
There is no reason EVER EVER EVER EVER for a woman to breastfeed in PUBLIC.
That's what pumping and bottles are for.

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Dory Degen

12:09 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

and shame on the bully hovering over the woman asking questions holding his walkie talkie "not in public we don't." he doesn't even know the law. what a horse's a--.

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Lizette Andrea

5:19 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

In public nobody wants to see a women breastfeed.breastfeed at home or in the car but not in public.don't these women have no shame.

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Lucie

6:31 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

Angela, you are soooo funny. My 10 month old refused to drink formula, and refused to drink from a bottle, even if it was breast milk. I have to breast feed her 100%. What am I supposed to do, stay in my house for 1 year, never go anywhere and never leave the house because my child is hungry? Boobs were made for feeding babies, and breast milk is far superior to formula in every way. I don't need to flash my boobs everywhere just to assert my right to feed in public, but I'm certainly not going to feel that what I'm doing is socially unacceptable. Apparently your parents fed you formula and your brain is messed up as a result.

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Lizette Andrea

8:47 am on Wednesday, December 21, 2011

when i go shopping i go to relax and have fun .not to see someone breastfeed when in public must think not to offend other people.a women breastfeed is the same thing as another person peeing in front you .don't want to see that so breastfeed at home.

Crista

8:55 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

I breast fed all three of my children for the first year of their lives. I never hid in a bathroom or returned to my car to do so. I simply placed a large blanket over myself and my child and DISCREETLY fed them. I was never asked not to do so. I have seen women breastfeed their children in Somerset Mall, and never once have I seen them be asked to stop. Somerset DOES allow breastfeeding, they (as well a most public places) just ask that you are courteous to others and cover yourself so as not to draw attention from a five year old that may not understand what is taking place.
I find it incredibly rude that these women were about to proceed with a breastfeeding flash mob is a place where children ages 0-17 were playing. If they wanted to bring awareness to breastfeeding, why not stage this breastfeeding flash mob at Pea in a Pod or some other maternity store where it is more relevant.

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anita

1:01 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

i can understand what you are saying but to tell the truth i would have a harder time explaining erectile dysfunction after my five year old saw an add for it on tv i know its comparing apples and oranges but why cant an adult explain to said five year old that that is how some mommies feed their babies or at least thats what i would tell my five year old

Mary Jo

9:36 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

I very much want my 2 year old to witness breastfeeding, the more the better because I want her to know that it's not something that is gross or weird or rude. Far more offensive to me is all the formula ads all over parenting magazines, making formula seem like the normal thing for a baby when, since the beginning of mankind, we have in fact, been breastfeeding our babies. Asking women to hide to do this is weird, and is a sign of a sickness in the way that we think about them.

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Karen

11:30 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

Urinating is a "normal" function also. Does that mean it's okay for every man to unzip in public and do it? The problem with the brestfeeding issue is that it has become just that with some women..an issue. Every woman I have ever known(and I am 60 with grown children) that nursed did so everywhere they felt the need to. The difference between them and the "flash mobs" is that those women had CLASS,and didn't feel the need to prove their point. No one ever stopped them. But when these mothers today insist on being as public as possible,they are not only showing no class,they are insulting the rest of us. It has nothing to do with breastfeeding for these women today. It's all about the issue.If they would just SHUT UP and breastfeed,no one would bother them.But,they don't have class and they don't use discretion. That's the difference. Just like the La Leche militant organization.If you don't breastfeed,you are practically put on their most wanted list. I did not breastfeed. I worked full-time. My daughter is 27 and has always been perfectly healthy and normal.So,just give it a rest, for God's sake!

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Lorah

12:01 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Karen,

Do you nourish a baby with your urine? No? 'Nuff said.

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Poot

12:23 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Lorah, that's just stupid.

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Robb

12:37 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Lorah, please go back and read what Karen wrote! It appears that you only read the first sentence and formed a [not so brilliant] conclusion. What you may find is that Karen is older and more experienced than you obviously are. She is well thought out, intelligent and obviously has a lot more common sense than you do. Just try reading the whole response and you just may learn something!!

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Rose

12:46 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Well said Mary Jo. I breastfeed my son in public. If someone doesn't like it, don't look. He doesn't like having a blanket over his head but he likes to look at me. I'm not doing it for attention or to make a statement. I'm doing it because my kid is hungry and wants to eat. People can be so prudish when it comes to breast feeding. It's FOOD! Not sexual. If anyone gets their rocks off than I'd say they have issues.

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Lucie

7:02 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

Thank you Karen, well said. I agree, why does everything have to be such an issue nowadays? My 3 yo sees me feed sister and he sees it as perfectly normal for mommy to do so. When did Americans become such prudes? European mothers breastfeed an average 2 years, and we don't hear it being such an issue there. They're just a pair of boobs, people. Half the time I'll have someone come stand next to me before they realize what I'm doing, then freak out like they walked in on me in the bathroom. I don't need to apologize for feeding my child when she's hungry. I just need a coverup.

joie rossi

10:06 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

I'm sorry, but I'm an adult and do not want to see another woman's breast being exposed, even for breastfeeding. If they were about to flash mob covered up, than by all means, but then what would have been the point? I breastfed both of my boys beyond a year, but never did I do so uncovered. Breastfeeding mothers should be respected, but they should also respect others that may not see things eye-to-eye.

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Rose

12:47 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

What about respect for the mother and babe? Would you want to eat dinner with a blanket over your head?

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Adam Dray

12:49 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

@ Rose, there's a HUGE difference. For starters I don't eat my food off of a breast. Or any other 'anatomy' for that matter. Plus it's also called TEETH..I chew with my mouth closed, does your breast feeding baby? Table manners, do I want to see your kittens during my lunch break from work?

Mike

10:13 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

Crista, what is wrong with a 5 year old knowing what is going on? They'll no doubt walk past Victoria's Secret, and even Abercrombie, etc. and see much worse images in the store windows. But it is somehow wrong for a 5 year old to witness a woman feeding her child in a natural way? I really have a hard time wrapping my head around that. I also have a problem with the term flash mob. That's just me though. Semantics I know, but why does it have to be referred to as a mob? It's not like they were going to be running you down and shoving their boobs in your face. They were no doubt planning on sitting as a group and feeding their little ones, if the children wanted to. I think nursing is something that needs more attention, just to make people aware again that it is a natural thing. Women's breasts have been oversexualized in our modern culture and it is a shame. Obviously there is a place for that, and there is nothing wrong with the sexualization of breasts in a private setting. But the fact is, that 5 year old that you are worried about is made more aware of breasts being sexual objects, than he/she is aware that they are a part of nourishment and life sustaining for an infant. That is an important thing to me for them to learn. Not what all the stores are showing in their windows as you walk around the mall. God forbid they see what breasts are actually, anatomically, scientifically for...

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sandy

11:29 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

Yeah, right, you don't think a guy gets his jets off seeing a woman with a babe at her nipples?

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Poot

12:24 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

@sandy... if you actually believe that, I'd say you have a very odd taste in men.

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Robb

12:42 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

So Mike, I see all your points, but did you actually read the article!?!? May want to go back, read what the article says, then start over!!

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leesa

12:46 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

@poot: sandy's comment had NOTHING to do with her taste in men. I believe she was referring to SOME of the other male customers in the mall that might not regard breastfeeding as natural occurance, but rather a chance to see a woman's enlarged and naked breast - and they enjoy that. You never know if the guy walking by as your innocently breastfeeding is an opportunist feeding his perverse ideas.

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Rose

12:48 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Mike my hat is off to you! :) What an important point you made!

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rachel

2:03 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

Women don't sit around, in a mall and say, "Hey, let's all breastfeed at the same time." It's not REAL! Real mom's don't sit around and want that kind of attention. There is clearly something wrong with that group of women. They don't even live near the somerset mall. They clearly went out of their way, just to breastfeed in a little pow-wow circle for all to see. IT'S WRONG! They did it the wrong way. Breastfeeding is fine. Be discrete about it though. You don't need everyone seeing your stuff. For a classy woman, you should want to keep it just between you and your child. Not for you, your child, and the next perv walking by. These women can nurse in public, but get a cover-up.. Not your clothes because we all know, that does NOT work. And what is this crap other people are saying, "If you don't like it, then don't look?" Screw you. Why can't you respect everyone else. It's not just about you! I would have banned those women from ever coming back to Somerset mall. They disgraced women's rights to breastfeed.

Mary Jo

10:22 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

They were nursing their babies, not auditioning for girls gone wild. There was no wild boob flashing, just moms peacefully feeding their children.

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slt

12:03 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

I think it was exactly that, self-righteous wild boob flashing. If they want to feed their children, they don't need to call attention to it. They are smug and offensive. Just do it already.

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Robb

12:51 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

So Mary Jo, did you actually read the article!?!? May want to go back, read what the article says, then start over!! It is not about a woman breastfeeding her hungry child; it’s about a bunch of women trying to get attention. Had it only been one person trying to take care of her chilled, this entire calamity would not have happened.

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Adam Dray

12:53 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

OKay so, you (can't stop laughing right now) seem to think it's OKAY to 'CLUB' with a bunch of breast feeding mothers in public???? Sucker for attention much??

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rachel

1:57 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

Were you there Mary Jo? It was 11 women, all feeding at once. In a BIG circle, for all to see. None of them had any cover-ups on. Give me a break! They did this for attention purposes ONLY! It wasn't even about their children, it was about them having the right to feed their kids from their boobs in public.

RantnRage

10:45 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

Somehow I think that the Sommerset Collection may end up having more demonstrators of offended nursing Moms, than LOWES will have demonstrating Muslims.

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rachel

1:56 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

I will never go to Somerset Mall again, for this very reason. These women are going to try and take over. Half of them don't even live near Somerset, but yet, they feel like they have the right to do whatever they want. These women need to get a damn job and they need to realize that they are only hurting their kids and embarrassing themselves in the end. GET A LIFE! Get a cover-up and feed to your hearts content. But when you take it and do it out of context, it is wrong!

Jill

11:18 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

Okay you don't want to see a woman feed her baby, keep walking! Look away! People get so upset about being discreet or not - There are a lot of potentially bothersome acts that happen in public (I don't believe feeding your baby is one of them but if you do) just move on. If you feel uncomfortable it is about you! A mother feeding her baby is literally the most natural thing in the world.

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sandy

11:32 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

Defecating is natural too, but people don't do it in public. There's a place for everything.

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Karen

11:32 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

Oh,give that nonsense a rest! Maybe my husband should just unzip when he feels the need to urinate while we are out in public.After all,it is a "natural" bodily function. Stop spouting such nonsense.

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Rose

12:50 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Wow Sandy - your comparing your husbands poop to feeding a baby? Big difference.

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lookyloo

1:06 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

Yep, keep walking....unless they are doing it in a flash mob. Face it, most are missing the point of this story. This is not about a woman breast feeding her child in a mob, it is about an "in your face" make a show out of breast feeding in the mall. Big, big, big...no huge, difference.

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rachel

1:54 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

It may be natural but you can be classy and cover-up. Or, better yet, come prepared. pump first, bring a bottle, or feed the baby at home. Be a mom and get organized..

sandy

11:27 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

I don't want to see a woman exposing her nipples in public. It's a personal matter and not for onlookers. Let's face it, it's too sexual. Nor would I want a man to expose his you know what in public. Same difference.

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Donna

11:47 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

I've never seen breastfeeding mothers "exposing their nipples in public,"
You face it, it's NOT sexual,
and it's not the "same difference" as a man exposing his penis (oh, sorry, his "you know what"). It's a COMPLETELY different thing, I'd say, ask any baby!!!
LOL - you're funny!!!!

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Adam Dray

12:18 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

I agree it is sexual. SURE IT may not be to the WOMAN, but to everyone else around them, they see exposed organs that are usually reserved for playboy or something. OF COURSE you don't consider it sexual, you'd defeat your point if u admited such. BUT NO MATTER how you spin it, IT IS A SEXUAL ORGAN. SURE it's used for feeding, but you know what, my penis is used for breeding too. My butt is used for waste disposal. SO if I start urinating in public...by your standards that's not sexual at all and I should have every right to do so. After all a kid can go a few minutes without eating, however holding ones bladder for too long can cause all sorts of issues and infections and damages..so i should be able to PEE just as much as you are able to FEED in public.......

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Adam Dray

12:21 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

@ Donna Actually it IS the same difference Donna, just cause you THINK you're right, doesn't mean you can twist things to your satisfaction to prove your point. When a woman is breastfeeding it's feeding, so what is it if she's simply exposed? THey STILL are 'milk bags' so how is that 'indescent'? if you actually considered OTHER PEOPLE instead of being purely selfish and thinking you 'producing a unit' garners you special treatment, maybe you'd see things from other POV......but then what's the point of argueing with someone who thinks people should 'look away' if they don't like it...Perhaps you should FEED YOUR KID, before going into public? Babysitter? Pumps? Tons of methods to 'be courteous' to others instead of thinking the world revolves around you.

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Wayne McQuivers

12:36 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Breastfeeding is a "personal matter"? Really, sandy? Get with it, woman! Everywhere else in the world, it's viewed as a natural act. Only in the United States is breastfeeding considered "indecent". I supported my wife when she breastfed our 5 children when and where ever they needed to feed. If you don't like what you see you can look the other way. It's pretty obvious you're not a mother because nipples aren't exposed during breastfeeding. And WRONG AGAIN, sandy: feeding a child the way they are supposed to be fed is NOT "sexual", again, It's "natural". A man exposing his penis in public and a woman breastfeeding are two entirely different issues and can't even be compared. Educate yourself before you embarrass yourself. You reek of ignorance and attention seeking behavior.

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Rose

12:53 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

How does a breastfeeding woman expose her nipples? Isn't the babes mouth over the nipple? I find the fact that you consider breastfeeding sexual to be disturbing. Never have I thought I was "sexy" while feeding my kid. And it is not comparable to man showing his genitals.

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rachel

1:52 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

I agree with you, Sandy. It is meant to be discrete and personal. You don't need to do anything in public, if you do, cover yourself up. You may not care if you see someone breastfeeding without a cover-up on, but others do. So these women need to stop being so selfish and realize that it does make people feel uncomfortable being exposed! Yes exposed, without a cover-up on.. My son does not need to see that kind of stuff. Be classy and cover-up already!

Donna

11:40 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

I've never seen a breastfeeding mother do anything offensive. Some people are offended by the idea of breastfeeding. I once had a distant family member say she was offended if I breastfed in another room for privacy, telling me "We all still know what you're doing in there!" lol

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Bonnie

11:45 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

What has this world come to? Women have breasts to breastfeed! And come on, you cannot compare a breast to a penis! I've seen many mama's breastfeeding and I've never seen a nipple. Big deal if you did. Maybe if we taught our children what breasts were actually for this would no longer be such a big deal.

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Adam Dray

12:23 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

SImply put women can only blame themselves....they're the ones who put such a high value on breasts outside 'feeding', so ...you made your bed, deal with it. Plus you don't get special treatment simply cause you MADE A UNIT. THese days EVERYONE seems to be doing so, so personally, I say keep the knickers tucked away, respect other people and IF your kid needs to eat that much or THAT often...perhaps try an alternative....pump, babysitter, privacy...Most people who go out in public have cars.......Respect the other people around you, JUST CAUSE YOU HAD A KID, doesn't make you rate higher than others.......

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Rose

12:54 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Adam - as a nursing mother I have a right to not have to run and hide every time my kid is hungry. Don't look if you don't like it. Or better yet, go out to your car and wait until I'm finished. Then continue your shopping. :)

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Chris

1:12 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

Or we could just point, stare, laugh and make fun of your boobs until you go out to your car to finish.

Penny

11:47 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

By law nursing mothers don't have to care about what you think is descreet or decent. It's so sad that women are the ones that have issues with breastfeeding. I don't cover while feeding my 17 month old my shirt covers more than enough. Breast are NOT genitals and are not meant to be sexual. They are meant to attract a man and then feed the babies a woman has with the man. Private properties are not exempt from laws. If the mall told a black or handicapped person to leave the person would have grounds to sue. Laws in MI have not been passed protecting breastfeeding mothers from this kind of nonsense as of yet, but it will happen. The Detroit area seems especially ignorant on the topic of breastfeeding... very sad for the children in that area of MI.

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slt

12:06 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Meant to attract a man? You cannot have it both ways Penny. You say they're sexual, then you say they're not sexual. This is the attitude of the breast-feeders, and personally I would ask a woman not to do it where it can be seen, what they do in privacy I don't mind one bit.

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Adam Dray

12:27 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

I love how the 'pro feeders' in here contradict themselves by saying it's 'only a sexual organ when it's being used to attract a male' however it becomes a feeding aparatus 'when it's being fed off of'........Um..it's not a transformer, it doesn't change 'labels' on it's usage. While it is ONE of those, it also IS THE OTHER. Justify whipping out your breast ALL YOU WANT, but if it WASN'T A SEXUAL ORGAN than TV, mags, even the net wouldn't 'blotch' them out when in public. Just cause you got a kid sucking on it, doesn't magically change it into a bottle........

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Chris

1:14 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

How can breats be to attract a man and not be sexual? You contradict your own statement. What a hipocrit.

Tina

11:49 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

I breastfed both of my sons until they two years old. I did so if I was gathered with my mom friends at the park or at a family function. If I would be out shopping I would take pumped milk in a bottle only because I am very large chested and I found it very hard to nurse very comfortably out and about. I see nothing wrong with breastfeeding in public. It is EVERY mother's right to do so if she so desires. As Jill said, if you don't like it then "keep walking." My 5 year old has seen women breastfeeding on countless occasions and never seems bothered by it at all. He knows that the breast is where "milky" comes from and that's it.

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Chris

1:16 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

And I have to right to stop and watch. You walk away if it bothers you.

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11:58 pm on Sunday, December 18, 2011

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lin

12:00 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

my daughter in law is breast feeding and she is one that does it anywhere now her three year old goes around saying i want to feed him with my boobie and shell ask strangers if they have boobies to feed her brother. now when she feeds him we leave the room. and im for breast feeding the right way

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Adam Dray

12:03 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Jeez anything for attention. THIS ISN'T A CASE OF FEEDING YOU'RE HUNGRY CHILD, they were INTENTIONALLY making a 'SCENE' from doing so. THERE's a HUGE difference. THis wasn't a single baby crying for food, heck who can say ANY of the children NEEDED to be fed, but instead these women seem to thinks it's okay to GROUP together and show off some 'breast feeding'. GIVE ME A BREAK. Feed your kid I don't care, but come on do you REALLY need to try and garner publicity for it by GROUPING a bunch of breasts together and feed kids? Yeah I agree with the mall I would have done the same thing, get a life! Feed your kid or don't but don't try to garner attention for it!!!!

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Lorah

12:05 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Its absolutely astonishing how many people compare breastfeeding to defecating. Maybeeee your mother should have breastfed you, then you'd have the IQ points to differentiate between the two.

Breastfeeding is natural. It is NORMAL. Breastmilk has no toxins, no bug parts, no germs. It has everything your baby needs and it grows with your baby.

We let our children see women scantily clad at the beach, at the mall, in the movies. But heavens forbid a woman breastfeeds, then its inappropriate and gross. That is SAD.

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Poot

12:27 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

producing human waste is normal and natural too, so what's your point, and what the hell do germs have to do with any of this?

Jodi Latham

12:09 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Jeremy-LOL
A Flash Mob is meant to get attention. So why do something that should be discrete? Yes, it should be done discretely out of respect for others around you. It has nothing to do with being legal. I'm nursing my 4th child and have no problem with anyone knowing what I'm doing, but I still do it discretely. And sometimes when the baby is fussing, you may expose yourself to the crowd, it does happen. Grow up and have respect for others!

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Lindsey

12:10 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Look folks if you want to feed the kid in public, yeah whatever. But as someone who's worked retail for over twenty odd years, I think the issue is that there are women (and yes, I've seen them) who decide that the whole world needs to see their boobs - and when I mean 'see' I mean the whole breast! If you want to breastfeed the kid I've got no real issue with it but a little common courtesy especially in places like a bookstore or a music store is what most people would like to see, so how about a blanket or shawl to discreetly cover up? It makes things less stressful for the baby especially in a busy store, the mom still breastfeeds the kid but everything's discreet and no one complains (or rarely complains). And to those of you who're complaining about formula for babies, I (and I know of others who were) was allergic to my mother's milk and formula was what worked for me. Don't slam formula feeding as being bad; not all women want to feed their baby breast milk for any number of reasons. Feed your kid whatever works best for them be it breast milk or formula or both.

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Mary Jo

12:13 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Karen, you seem a little confused about breastfeeding vs. urination. Do you see anyone carrying bottles of urine around to feed to their babies? No? Well that's because it's not the same thing. The number of women breastfeeding 50 years ago was pretty dismal, but has been increasing again, slowly. This is because women, like these mamas, have been working towards change. Moms can work now and still breastfeed, as workplaces understand that healthy babies mean fewer sick days, lower health care costs, and less of a staff turnover, and are coming around in supporting their breastfeeding moms. None of this would have happened if moms didn't demand it. And as for your idea of La Leche League, you are sadly misinformed. It's a group of moms who support one another, just like we used to do in society. They serve juice, fruit, and crackers, and there's usually small children there. It looks like any other mom's group, in fact, and functions just the same. No mama should feel ashamed of the way they nourish their baby. The formula feeding mom OR the breastfeeding mom. No one would have blinked if those moms has all been feeding from a bottle, nor should they. And moms nursing their babies should be left alone, too.

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Jennie Carleton

12:23 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

This is a little much. I am a mother of a 4 year old and a 6 month old. I Breastfeed my 6 month old and have never been asked to not do so in public. It sounds to me, that she was asked to stop when she was breastfeeding while she was shopping. This is wrong. Organizing a "flash mob" and breastfeeding just because, is wrong.
If we want to gain respect of other, do not do this. Feeding your child while you are out shopping or whatever is one thing, organizing a flash mob is another.

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Beenthere

12:41 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Will someone please get this ignorant and rude creep Adam Dray off this blog? Adam, please get help. You have serious anger and God knows what else issues.

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sharon

12:57 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

Wow this is nuts....Moms feed your child before you leave, and pump a few bottles for later..Simple as that

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rachel

1:45 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

You got it Sharon. These women are off their rockers.. Literally..

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1:02 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

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Sara Eaton Martin

11:17 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

I am a big supporter of being able to breast feed wherever that may be. What I don't understand is planning a flash mob. Did one of the 11 women who showed up to participate have a problem at Somerset specifically or was this simply a general fight for breast-feeding? The flash mob, it would seem, would have a more meaningful impact if it targeted somewhere known to give breast-feeding moms trouble, such as in this case last year: http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/mother_says_she_was_kicked_out.html, in which a Target employee called police about a woman breastfeeding her child while shopping.

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Monica Fessler

11:20 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

I don't have a problem with women breast feeding in public. I have problem when the child is a 1 year old. Isn't that a little old?

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Michelle Capanna

11:37 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

My problem with all this is: Women who breastfeed their child is fine BUT dont u dare try to make women who DONT breastfeed feel guilty or tell them they are a bad mom and the same with women who DONT breastfeed . We should be supporting each other NOT putting down each other choices.

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Irma

11:52 am on Monday, December 19, 2011

If MEN were not so obsessed with women's breasts, there would be no problem with breast-feeding....I wonder how THEY were fed as infants!

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Dory Degen

12:05 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

they should have done it anyway.

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CK

1:14 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

I breast fed all 5 of my children during a time when most mothers did not. I breast fed without most people even knowing that was what I was doing. My baby was hungry and I did not make a big deal out of it. For the parent who says they want their child to watch breastfeeding...find a friend who will let her watch. Do not encourager people to flash their breasts around for other people to see, it is not necessary to expose yourself to feed your child. Why would you want to? Seems to me these women have a real need to have their breasts exposed rather than feed their children...stupid...

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Chris

1:22 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

From now on I am going to stop and stare at every women I see breastfeeding and if you dont like it then leave. It's my right to observe anything I want to in public, and if that means I get to see some boobies for free, then WAHOOO? LOL, not really sexually attracted to women breastfeeding. Just want to prove a point that doing so in this manner by doing a breastfeeding flash mob is doing nothing but begging for attention. Do you people really think having a group breastfeeding session in a public mall isn't begging for attention?

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Chris

1:23 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

^------- trying to see how many times I can get the word doing in a single sentence. LOL

sara

1:48 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

I'm confused by how breast feeding is sexual. It's feeding a baby. Breasts can be used for different things, just like hands. Are hands too sexual for public? What about lips? They can be used for sexual purposes too. Oh,and some men find legs sexy...we should all just completely cover up with gloves and long dresses, and probably head scarves since some men find hair sexy... Where will it end?

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Dawn Renée

12:52 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011

You've got me, sara. There seems to be way to much concern about what men seeing and thinking about this, and primarily on the part of women! This seems to represent the antithesis of what should constitute healthy "family values", wouldn't you agree? What good has it done for women to fight for equality for all of these years if,we are still viewed as sex objects even when engaged in a simple, natural act of feeding our children?

Teresa

2:04 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

Well, Chris, if someone points and stares and laughs, perhaps other people will realize what a pervert they are and call the cops ... when a person is obnoxious, society will usually take care of it. However, feeding a child is NOT being obnoxious, albeit doing so draped is usually preferable. A "flash mob" or protesting in public is seen to be impolite, and that's essentially what they are trying to achieve -- attention for a cause or just attention for it's own sake -- whatever. I would hate to be that mall owner now ... it must be hard to try and keep the peace (i.e., the middle road) amongst such strong feelings as has been expressed here.

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LLG

3:24 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

For G-d's sake - women do not have a right to bear their breasts in public - regardless of the reason. Women do have a right to breastfeed in public - if they can accommodate the task without exposing themselves. Otherwise - make other arrangements. Using breastfeeding and children as a tactic to strong arm merchants is ridiculous. Their cause would have been better served by meeting with the management of the facility and explaining their needs to have a private place to breastfeed. Most establishments are anxious to accommodate their guests and this might have been a better way to resolve the issue. With regard to the issue of this being a teaching tool of some sort to youngsters - that's fine WITH the permission of the youngster's parents or guardians in a private venue. Breastfeeding mothers do not have the right to dictate morals to others regarding nudity....If the intent of these mothers is to teach youngsters that you can do what you want, when you want regardless of others - then maybe they need to think a little bit more about having children and alot more about raising them.

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W

3:44 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

Breastfeeding should be a private, special time between mom and baby, not in public. I didn't breastfeed my kids and I don't want to see someone breastfeeding their child. We have become so careful about what we can and can't do or what we can say or can't say as a society. Keep nursing at home and spend quality time with your baby.

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Sharon Kay Cooper

4:09 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

In my opinion I think breastfeeding should be between a mother and her child.... not for the whole world to see. That's a time for bonding. I wouldn't want to share that with strangers.

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WGMom

4:48 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

Breastfeeding through the ages has always been normal and done in public. If you google "breastfeeding art" you will see painting after painting through the ages of women breastfeeding their babies, including Mary breastfeeding the baby Jesus. Women are portrayed breastfeeding in the fields as they work, in public squares... it was a very normal part of life, and as it was the subject of much art, it stands to reason that it was seen as natural and beautiful. It is unfortunate that so many people these days cannot see breastfeeding for how lovely and special it is, and that it causes so much controversy. It is eating, plain and simple. For adults, we celebrate eating in public. We build veritable temples to eating. We watch TV shows dedicated to the process of eating food. Yet babies are expected to be hidden away when they eat the way they are supposed to.

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Janice Rex-Weaver

6:45 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

Just getting a chance to read this article now..........and although I support breastfeeding in public - there are ways to be discreet (slings, coverups etc), also Michigan law does not state that it is illegal, I want to make it known that Mary Napoli is not with Peaceful Birthing, nor did Peaceful Birthing orchestrate the flash mob. Not sure how my business name became affilated with this story. Please make this known to your readers. Thanks
www.yourpeacefulbirthing.com

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Jen Anesi

7:09 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

Thank you, Janice! Peaceful Birthing's name was attached to the original email I received about the flash mob. I have removed it from the story - thanks!

Lucille Musser Arking

12:17 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

As a mother who nursed all my children ,I cannot imgaine why a mother would think she needs to expose herself and her child in the public to peoples germs and noise .Both would do better in a more private and relaxed situation .

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rachel

1:28 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

Be classy. Get a cover-up. Stop doing these retarded flash mobs and focus on your family, not on breastfeeding in public for all to see. I'd be pissed if I were one of your husbands. What a disgrace! YOU DON"T BREAST FEED, IN PUBLIC, IN A HUGE GROUP! There's something wrong with you people. Especially when you do it in a huge circle.. Lock em up!

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rachel

1:29 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

I will never go to Somerset mall again. Not because of the people that work there that kicked these dumb women out but because of the people kind of people that go here. These women weren't even shopping. They wanted attention and got it. Shame on these women, for taking their God given right, out of context. A normal mom will not gather round with a bunch of women and say, "Hey, let's go to a HUGE public place, and breastfeed for all to see, because we have the right!!" Who are these women?!? Go get a freaking job.. You must be bored so you feel the need to whip your boob out in a public place, in front of Santa's castle, where other kids are, and are forced to see your nastiness.. How dare you! I'd kick you out too and never let you back into that mall ever again. Grow up! No one cares whether you breastfeed or not but COVER YOURSELF UP! That's why people get uncomfortable. And just because babies get hungry, at their own times, then be a mom! Get organized and come prepared with either a bottle or a cover-up garment, and stop doing it for ALL TO SEE! Good grief! It's women like them that makes this gift a completely, disgusting act. I'd be extremely uncomfortable if I were to see any woman breastfeeding in public with no cover-up on. It's wrong.

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Lucille Musser Arking

2:13 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

Most people I know expect others to be descrete about things in public. Yet I often am offended by woman who wear clothes so tight you see the outlines of their private areas or they show their breasts and mid riff what's the big deal As my father taught me and my husband often tells me : modesty is more sexy then exposure . Why do t these woman wish to drive drive great distances to expose themselves in the mall . I agree cover yourself be descrete .

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Bree M

2:25 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

The comments on this thread make me sick. Does this mall have a Victoria's Secret? If so, I'm quite certain there are many displays of uncovered breasts in the mall. Please, those of you who are so prudish as to demand women to cover, I hope you are also complaining about those displays.
My child is breastfed. My child doesn't need bottles, nor does he need a cover because *you* think he should. I don't eat my food in a bathroom, and I am FEEDING him, not eliminating on him, so enough with the food/feces comparisons. What I do with my breasts is simply none of your business. I find many, many more offensive people out shopping than the typical breastFEEDing mother.
And by the way, we happen to have a right to flash our breasts as much as we chose, previous poster. We cannot be ticketed for indecent exposure for FEEDing our children. We have that right.

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Gabriel Luke Cannistraci

9:12 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

Bree, I understand and respect your opinion, but you are mistaken with your facts. The law does NOT allow the right, as you state it to "flash our breasts as much as we choose". That is called indecent exposure and you can be heavily fined for such things in this country. I agree, breast feeding is a beautiful and natural thing, and There is nothing inherently wrong with it at all. That is NOT the issue in question here, though. The issue is that 11 women were planning on making a spectacle of themselves to draw all of the attention in the area to them exposing their breasts. It was NOT a woman simply trying to give her son a "meal". If you want to feed in public, go for it, please, but again this has nothing at all to do with feeding a child. As to you comment about the Victoria Secret posters in the mall, they are NOT naked breasts being exposed, ma'am. They are still covered. Even still, I, and just about everyone I know, a vehemently opposed to those displays in public. My 4 yr old son walks past them and cannot look away, asking me why those women don't have all their clothes on. This disturbs me greatly as well.

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Jen Anesi

11:56 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

To clarify the law, Bree and Gabriel, "public nudity laws do not apply to a woman breastfeeding a child" in the state of Michigan. http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=14389
Hope that helps!

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Brad Kava

9:22 pm on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

Every day we lose more freedom in this country. Every day. If it doesn't scare you, it should.

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Lucille Musser Arking

12:02 pm on Wednesday, December 21, 2011

Brad This is not about freedom . It is about modestly . Women have feed their children in public for many years the just used modest methods . Also individual freedom ends where anothers begins . That was decided by the supreme court shortly after the consitution was signed . Thats why one should be modest in public .

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Rebecca

1:11 pm on Wednesday, December 21, 2011

the people that complain about a woman breastfeeding in public are just ridiculous. There is more exposure on the cover of Cosmopolitan magazine, or at the beach, or walking down the street in summer than there is when a mother feeds her child. To the people that insist a mother should feed their child at home, get real! you don't control when a child is hungry. The next time you're out and get hungry, make sure you go home to eat. or take your food to the public bathroom for those of you that think a mother could or should feed her child out of your vision. Why is it ok for a woman to wear a bikini, or a low cut top with half of her breast exposed, but it's not ok for a mother to feed her child in public? I have never, ever seen a mother take her shirt off, or completely expose her breast in order to feed her child. That is why they make the nursing bras and nursing tops. All of you holier-than-thou self righteous people need to grow up already.

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Johnu1

1:40 pm on Wednesday, December 21, 2011

I've been reading all these comments, most of which seem to miss the point. The flash mob was a deliberate attempt to make a mockery out of the process. There isn't much way that can be disputed.

Most kids are fed on a schedule so it's not like there is an "oops, time to suckle the tot" moment here. A lot of kids are fed breakfast or lunch at home before Mom totes them off for a day of productive shopping.

I think events in a mall courtyard would be something that's promoted as entertaining for the customers. A flash mob of breastfeeders could be considered less entertainment than a distraction -- and clearly it's not a pleasant distraction for everyone, considering the comments here. Considering that, the mall's objective is to make a profit, not create friction with the customers.

The issue here, as I see it, isn't about how you should feed your children, where or even how ... but the flash mob was at best childish, boorish and contrived. There are places to breastfeed in that mall, but a dozen women gathering up their tots, floppin' out the old milk jug and making mockery of it in a flash mob, sorry, I can't support that.

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Dawn Renée

2:04 pm on Wednesday, December 21, 2011

Let's see ... we have a mayor who openly flaunts her bigotry against the GLBT community, and now one of the largest business owners of Troy has discriminated against womens' rights to feed their babies in public; based not upon their own policies or upon the law, but upon their arbitrary objection to the particular circumstances under which the women in question chose to excercise their rights. I think there is a case, here, to challenge in court whether or not a business owners' discretion can override established state laws, let alone contradict their own policies. There are plenty of precedences set for state and federal jurisdiction over-riding discriminatory and unevenly enforced business practices. Personal or proprietary offense felt over an individual's choice to exercise their rights as guaranteed by law is NOT a sufficient excuse to discriminate against any individual or group of individuals.

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Johnu1

11:31 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011

Well, as long as the lawyers benefit, that's all that mattered in the first place.

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c

11:29 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011

There are plenty of nice lounges at Somerset Collection for mothers to use for nursing their babies. They are set up with a nice sofa and lounge area for just that reason. Why in the world would you want to sit on a hard bench in the middle of a mall to nurse your child. So many distractions and not at all comforting for the infant or that fact the mother. When a normal person nurses they don't call their friends and set up a nursing party they find a nice relaxing spot and nurse the baby.

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Dawn Renée

12:39 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011

Oh please, Johnu1! If human rights weren't violated on a daily basis in this country, the lawyers would be out of work in fairly short order. And clearly, Johnu1, you know nothing of breastfeeding or you'd realize that nursing babies is done on demand, not on a schedule.

It doesn't really matter to me whether this was an organized demonstration or just a group of nursing moms whose babies all coincidentally cried to be fed at the same time. The ignorance of our culture in viewing the natural act of a woman breastfeeding a baby as offensive is something worth protesting! There are plenty of shops in the Collection that display images of unnaturally thin, tall teenaged female and male models, intended by fashion marketing media experts to represent "sex that sells" without a thought to the negative messages such images send to young men and women in our culture. For decades, the proliferation of such images have influenced teenagers towards anorexic/bulemic behaviors, and they continue to encourage stereotyping women as "sex objects" for the viewing pleasure of men. This is far more offensive and damaging to our culture than the sight of a mother breastfeeding her baby, and does nothing to promote healthy "family values"

Public breastfeeding has only been become "unfashionable" during the last century or so, out of thousands of years of human civilzation, Perhaps those who feel offended by the sight of a mother nursing her child should rethink their own value systems.

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Oubli

7:20 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011

LOL I think people are just getting bent out of shape because the term flash mob is being used. Flash mob is just a sensationalistic term. If they had called it a sit in or some other term . . .

Women expose their breasts darn near completely just through revealing clothing at the mall (esp in the summer time), I dare say that most women who breastfeed are covered up more than the average teen or women who dresses provocatively.

I think most people just don't want to think about blurring the line between mom breasts and sexy breasts, it should be one or the other *sarcasm* and apparently Americans can't handle the thought of a breast being both.

Sure I got a couple stares will accidentally exposing myself juggling baby, blanket and breast but you know I just glared right back. Piss off if you can't handle my motherly breasts and yes I would join in with other mothers and breastfeed publicly at a mall, I would be discrete about it but then again what mom wouldn't?

Oh and my husband thoroughly enjoyed my enlarged milky breasts when I was breastfeeding (breastfeeding breast can be sexy!) and if some insane man like Chris tried to overtly stare at me while I was breastfeeding in public, well let's just say my husband would be the smuggest man in jail that day for defending his wife and her right to breastfeeding public without being gawked at by an idiotic wanker.

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Beth Schmeisl

2:56 pm on Friday, December 30, 2011

Yes, women should always cover their breasts in public. But I am having a hard time with the people who say women should NEVER nurse in public, even when covered. Have you ever tried pumping a bottle? It can take a day or two of pumping to get one small bottle (some women just don't get much when they pump). Not to mention, if you are out for more than a couple hours without nursing it gets painful and can mess up your milk supply if you don't nurse or pump. And you certainly can't pump in public! Women who are discreet and covered should not be made to feel they are doing something wrong for feeding their baby.

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Dennis Poe

6:30 am on Friday, May 11, 2012

I agree women be able to breastfeed in public,they are just feeding their baby,if you don't have to look.Ive seen women breastfeed in public and it didn't bother me a bit if women want to breastfeed in public i say go for it.

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