Dale: plea for civility and then call people you disagree with liars. Why should anyone take your biased shilling for the mayors awful behavior seriously? You never confront the numerous inconsistencies that have been repeatedly pointed out to you in the false statements you keep making over and over and over. I can only assume this you are unable to refute them. That means you keep saying that have been shown to be false, repeatedly. If you are repeating false things when their falsity has been established, what does that make you? One who bears false witness, that's what. It's a tired act and a hypocritical one.

Dale, I will once again debunk your issues with #2. The Mayor was not responding to any "badgering" questions and was not misquoted. This is the transcript from the office hours:
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Student: The point is, is that, we were coming here today to see if Mayor Daniels would be a part of this youth project that Zack and Skyler, that people are organizing, and that if she would come and speak and show her support, and that’s…
Amy: And discuss the issue at hand that got us here in the first place
Student: Right
Amy: Because you can’t… [interrupted by Mayor]
Mayor: If I do…
Amy: Yes
Mayor: If I do, I’m not sure that any of you will be satisfied, because I will bring in psychiatrists who will tell you that the homosexual lifestyle is dangerous…[interrupted by Amy]
Amy: That’s not your place to do that!
Mayor: Well, well, and, and, it’s not your place to cause me to have to enter into…
Amy: It is not your place to do that as a city leader.
Mayor: Oh, why? It, it…
Amy: Separation of church and state. Do you know that?
Mayor: Oh, yes, and that is, um, that is a statement that was made by Thomas Jefferson, in a written document, a written letter. That is nowhere to be found in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
Amy: So you don’t believe in the separation of church and state?
Mayor: I, no, I believe that the First Amendment says that the, the state shall not establish any, uh, rules regarding religion. ...
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Your ridiculous claim about the charter being covered by the constitution has been ignored because, as I have stated REPEATEDLY, it does not even make logical sense. I have also asked on several occasions for you to justify this claim. You have yet to do so. Show me, anywhere, any legal justification for this claim. Until you do, it is an unjustified illogical equivocation. You should not make these kinds of claims and indict other people unless you are willing to stand behind it. The people you attack are supporting their assertion with facts (her own words). Where are yours?

Sue, I understand and disagree. Tax money is not spent from government programs until the dirt flies from the shovel ready projects.

Moving the train station a quarter mile at a cost of more than six million dollars remains a boondoggle, especially since it did not improve train service at all, only adding dedicated parking and bus service.

Neither you or I are lying, Sue. We are just telling the same story from different points of view. I understand your point of view and disagree with it.

With what, exactly, do you disagree, Dale?
That Mayor Daniels thought the money should go back to the national debt?
That once she knew that, she never corrected herself?
That she keeps telling residents that Troy taxpayers will be on the hook for ALL costs, when we know that is also misleading?

You can disagree. You just can't distort reality and tell me and everyone else who supports the recall that your version of reality is correct.

It's more about disagreeing with me; it's about your failure to admit what actually happened.

Dale:

She went on the the radio and clarified exactly what she meant. In doing so, she compared being a gay person to smoking or walking up Big Beaver in traffic. Don't believe me? listen to the tape. The mayor of Troy went on the local radio and said those words, to a friendly radio host.

She said it clearly and unambigously: being gay is dangerous according to her. That was what she meant. The petition language accurate according her own words. That is a fact. If you don't recognize that matter of fact you are being dishonest.

You entitled to your own opinion/angle, you are not entitled to your own facts.

This City has been damaged enough by people playing fast and lose with facts. I don't know what your slavish devotion to this woman is based on, but to me it appears to be dogma and not based in reality.

Dale, I have proven your statements regarding #2 false in different threads, yet you continue to repeat them. Please admit it and apologize as you state you will.

In fact, this is what I had posted to you around 7/8/12:
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Dale, for the last time, #2 in the petition is neither misleading, nor a lie. The petition language states the following: “(2) for declaring, during an ‘office hours’ forum on January 9, 2012, that ‘the homosexual lifestyle is dangerous”
I don’t know if you have actually listened to the recorded meeting, but I took the liberty of transcribing it for you in case you hadn’t, or for anyone who has not listened yet. She declared in this meeting that the “homosexual lifestyle is dangerous” and she would bring in psychiatrists to back-up her point of view. I am absolutely astonished that you continue to push this issue, when the entire conversation is on tape…
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If anyone wants to hear the audio for themselves, you can get it here:
http://youtu.be/byTAIPpvPbY

Delusional it is.

Dale,

The recording is crystal clear and I still don't know what captions you're talking about. Perhaps you should turn the volume up on your computer? Perhaps you should listen to the recording along with the transcript I posted? The transcript starts at about 3:23 and goes to about 4:23 in the link I posted above.

We'll agree that the Mayor said, "If I do, I’m not sure that any of you will be satisfied, because I will bring in psychiatrists who will tell you that the homosexual lifestyle is dangerous…", and that she further clarifies that by doing this she will be bringing her "point of view". (This is on-tape, on the record, and indisputable.) So yes, she did "declare that the homosexual lifestyle is dangerous" and she would bring in doctors to support that statement. It really is incredible that you can deny this.

I'll leave it here knowing that I have the proof on-tape, that's available to the public, and that no reasonable person would try to defend the Mayor by saying her words were distorted. To anyone out there not familiar with the circumstances around this comment the Mayor made, I'd invite you to go listen to the audio for yourself. Don't take my word or Dale's, go listen to the recording and decide for yourself...you'll hear her offer that statement freely.

Dale:

If we agreed, even to disagree, we would both be wrong. I am confused why you keep insisting you are are right when you are obviously wrong. If you don't admit this you are boldfaced, pants-on-fire lying. How can anyone respect anything you say? As I mentioned above, Janice herself clarified exactly what she said and meant, by spreading her ignorance further on the RADIO, and certainly there was no badgering of ANY kind there. In fact, nobody seems to be confused about what she said except you. She doesn't even dispute it on the ballot.

I don't know if you are unwilling or unable to admit you are wrong. Either way, your credibility is clearly established.

In my opinion, if anyone is being agressive or argumentative or hostile it is Janice. Amy seemed to be sticking up for herself and the KIDS she was with while Janice's behavior was completely shameful.

Lessons from Dick Nixon. Gaps in the tape? Can't understand it? Hmmm.

Cookiepro2, Patch sent out surveys to Bentivolio (http://troy.patch.com/articles/candidate-profile-kerry-bentivolio) and Taj (http://troy.patch.com/articles/candidate-profile-dr-syed-taj), if you would like to read their responses.

Cathy, thank you for your personal recommendation of Dr. Taj. Lacking the LWV forum input I clicked on the Patch links for each candidate's name and came across a survey each of them did before the August primary. What a contrast! Bentivolio answered in one sentence sound bites and even duplicated his answer to two different questions, it is obvious he did not spend much time on this. Taj's answers were well thought-out, detailed and serious regarding our nation's challenges, it is apparent he has thought in-depth about, and has the background and willingnes to work toward bi-partisan solutions.
To me attending the forum is akin to a job interview with me, your possible employer. You don't show up, you automatically don't get the $174K/yr tax payer funded job. But I'm glad to find that there is an alternative quality, top-drawer candidate, Dr. Taj, who did show up!

Oops, I should've kept reading! Glad you already found the candidate profiles :)

Toby, what's his name? I'd like to hear more about him and what he plans to do as mayor. If he has a website with a campaign platform I'll include it in a future blog post instead of referring to an unknown candidate running against Mayor Daniels.

This election is not about who replaces Janice Daniels, it is about removing her. Once she is recalled, there will be an opportunity for anyone to step forward and put their name in the running. The people of Troy will have their say in who replaces her soon enough, but right now we should only be focused on getting her recalled in the first place.