Ha ha how quickly Teetz is distancing himself from da Mayor. She needs to release the recording, if it shows she screwed up again, she needs to resign b4 she is recalled.

No, she should not release it because it is clear that no matter what she says or does, the hate-feeders will continue to bully her, all the while accusing her of bulllying.

I attended this meeting and must speak out. 1) the Mayor REQUIRED every attendee to provide their name and address before speaking. This was a scheduled public meeting and the recording was done by her, under her rules. A copy of this tape must be made available through a FOIA request. 2) I was in attendance to talk about the transit center, not the gay issue. 3) However, I was astounded by the mayor's attitude and demeaning comments directed toward the youth.. 4) She attempted to deceive them into thinking she was fulfilling her prior promise to participate in a THS Anti-bulllying event by bragging that she would be proposing her own City Sponsored event focusing exclusively on suicide prevention. 5) The youth told her she was not fulfiling her earlier promise. The Mayor became agressive. 6) During this discussion, her words about the "risks" of a gay lifestyle were presented. 7) While I don't remember her exact words, the intent of her words were VERY clear. She talked about bringing in experts to explain the dangers of "that lifestyle". 8) The Mayor then complained (for the third time) that it was she who was the victum, suffering from bullying and disrespect and minimizing the hurt she had inflicted on our youth. 9) With a front row seat to all of this, I was impressed with the control and respect these kids showed for a Mayor, who frankly has done nothing to earn it. I am proud of these bright kids. They are amazing. I was ashamed of our Mayor.

Ron, you seem to be an excellent observer and reporter. I almost feel like I was there. From your blow-by-blow desription, there does seem to be a lot of miscommunication. However, I do not see "aggression" on the mayor's part. I don't know what it was that you saw that you thought was "aggression." You followed that term with these statements: "... 6) During this discussion, her words about the "risks" of a gay lifestyle were presented. 7) While I don't remember her exact words, the inten t of her words were VERY clear. She talked about bringing in experts to explain the dangers of "that lifestyle...." So, Ron, were those the behaviors that you saw as "aggressive?" If so, I would say that I see it, not as aggression, but as someone who really does not approve of the homosexual life style. If, in fact, that is true (and we won't know that unless the mayor tells us), is that allowed? I am sure that there are people in this world who don't. It was not the mayor who ever brought this up. Someone else dug through her personal facebook page from months and months before her appointment as mayor and made it public. Is she allowed to have her own personal beliefs? It would be nice if everyone in this world could accept every single other person, group, life-style etc., but we all know that is not possible. It is an imperfect world. My greatest hero, Martin Luther King, was not perfect, So, the mayor may not be perfect either. She may not be perfect, but neither is she a hater.

Mary Ann, there is no reason that the tape should not be released. I would think the Mayor would want to clear her name and let everyone hear what she did or did not say. In either case (last month or this month), it doesn't matter who reveals what she said, she was reckless and irresponsible for saying those things. Does she have a right to her opinions? Of course she does, and if she wants to hate and degrade people in the privacy of her own home, that's her business, but when she starts expressing those feelings on social media and then in public office, then it is our business. The First Amendment of the Constitution (which she knows well) protects "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" as well as protecting the freedoms of speech, religion, and the Press. She is now part of the governement, and the people she feels are "bullying" her are actually protesting her for her hateful, misinformed speech. Even tonight, she refused to speak to the Press and present her side of the story. She's denied playing the tape for the papers or Channel 7. The Press is well within their rights to report on the actions of the elected officials, and instead of being totally transparent, she runs from them or gives them a short phrase. If she really wants to have this issue go away, and be the transparent mayor, she just needs to release the tape. The students are lying, or she is, the tapes will tell us which...

The Mayor "talks" about transparency, she campaigned on transparency. She demands transparency of others. Now she must "walk" transparency.

What else is the Mayor hiding?

My guess would be her true motives in Troy. I don't think we've seen the worst of it yet.

We should hold a prayer rally outside the next City Council meeting that Janice Daniels would find Jesus. It's clear she doesn't follow the Jesus of the Bible.

Mary Ann, Why are you so hung up on "Someone else dug through her personal facebook page from months and months before her appointment as mayor and made it public. ?" I would suggest you fact check, but it seems that even when you are shown to be in error, you continue to use the same misinformation. This seems to be the norm for Janice's fan club. You hear it every week at council, same misinformation. You read it every day on their posting, same misinformation. I guess that is to be expected since Janice has said implied that the majority of her e-mails are supportive of her performance (??) as Mayor. I'll bet a FOIA would disprove that too.

Again, bottom line - YOU SAY IT, YOU OWN IT!

Mary Ann, Please read my post. I asked why you are so hung up on it. Also, you are not the only poster that I am responding to. I think you need to take a break.

Abbey, you asked me why I defend the mayor when I don't defend those she hurts. Believe me, if I saw her offending, or being disrespectful to any group, I would lead the charge against her. I would NEVER accept that from an elected official. I just DO NOT see what all of you are seeing. What is in your Kool Aide? (Now, I don't want to be disrespectful by saying that). You all keep saying that she REPEATEDLY insults and disrespects the gay community. I have seen a Facebook entry, and nothing else! What is it that you are seeing "repeatedly"? As God is my witness, I haven't seen anything other than that post. To me, it just seems like this whole thing has taken on a life of its own, fueled by a handful of angry, vengeful people with an agenda. I don't share all of the mayor's views and I will try to let her know when I disagree with her, just like I have done for years and years in Troy with the past mayors and council members I have been served by. Thanks to all of them! This group of officials is getting a bum rap in my opinion. Why would ANYONE want to make the sacrifices necessary to serve us in these official capacities after witnessing this? Hate never got anyone anywhere, and it is destroying a wonderful city. It needs to change. Don't let the hate-mongers lead you by the nose. Stand up against hate WHEREVER you find it. I will.

Tom, you say that I seem to have a notion of, "some single sort of gay "lifestyle," You correctly state that there are a multitude of lifestyle in the gay community, just as there are in the heterosexual community. If you read my post a little more carefully, you will note that my reference was to "life-styles" --- not to "gay life-styles.

Ms Bernardi , If you understad how facebook works you would understand no one must dig thru face3book for months . If she sent it to her friends , it went to their friends and on and on . I received it on my e mail from someone out of USA and from someone in California . It asked me is this your new mayor ? This was weeks before anyone locally stated anything about it. Again I must warn people that all the social networks and r-mails are not private mail. Before 9/11/01 I was applying for a visa to China . They found an e-mails between me and a person b the name of H.H. WU
who was not but they thought may be someone they were considering a threat to them . I got my visa but had a government agent wtch me from arriving at the airport.
When Inotified our state department the told me all e-mails overseas go thru two places and are available for review . It was evidently to watch for criminals. We know9/11/01 the police , FBI , CIA have access to "internet noises" now what do you think that is ? So whileI agree that it not an issue who found it , I do want you be be aware that no one had to dig for it. Please understand that Mayor Daniels needs to change her behavior or we will only has this noise for 4 years.

Linda, just look at how many times, you start your post with, "Mary Ann." In this thread, you have two posts, and both of them start with "Mary Ann," and you have done similarly in other threads on other pages. Then, you object that I reply to your attacks? I would love to "take a break" --- as soon as you do. If you dish it out, Linda, you have to be able to take it too.

Mary ann I think u r the 1 drinking the Tea flavored kool aid. Seems to me the TEA PArty is just mad cuz we got a black president

Mark,for your information, I was thrilled that we elected a black president. I am not a tea-partier ---I am an Independent. I worked, in my youth to make it possible to see the fabulous historical event. Are you trying to imply that I am a tea-partier and a racist?

Danny, Martin Luther King would never have said, ".....you will be called a hater." He fought against hate and bigotry. He did not propagate it. There is a right way to fight for your cause, and there is a wrong way. The choice is yours.

I never said that the young adults are haters. I hope that you are not putting that in my mouth! That kind of thing is what has turned this into such an ugly experience --- words have been put into the mouths of others, false assumptions about the feelings and beliefs of others have been made.....add to the mix, a lot of angry people who just love to hate, and you have an explosive environment! I think it is high time that people tone down their rhetoric, step back, and allow all of us to heal. Aren't we big enough to accept that everyone person on the face of the earth will not say things the EXACT way we want them to say it? I get the feeling that many of you don't know how to do the necessary give-and-take that allows family units, government units, and community units to function sucessfully. Why can't you step back and stop torturing one woman? I do not see her as a hater -- that is a false assumption that you have made and that you propligate.

Oh boy. I find you to be very contradictory. Maybe I don't understand what you are saying then. Who are the ones you feel are "a lot of angry people who just love to hate"? The people who won't let this die? The ones "torturing one woman"? How do you reconcile this with the other belief you stated... "Stand up against hate WHEREVER you find it. I will."? Are the Troy High Gay-Straight alliance included in those whom you feel are torturing and unable to step back? Or are they standing up against hate? Please keep in mind that they perceive Mayor Daniels as unapologetic and going against her promise. In your opinion and words, should they "step back" or "stand up"?

Well, Danny, that is a very good question. The answer to "who are they?" is one that I do not answer. The reason is that: I don't know who they are. Unlike you, and many others, I do not claim that I can look into someone's heart and know all of their feelings and motives etc. I have to base my conclusions upon what I can observe. Here is what I see: a mayor who has been in a firestorm of hate almost from the minute she took office. I see that anything she says comes under a hailstorm of attack. I see that there was a very divided city prior to her election. I have read and have heard the comments of her opposing side. I have heard the tone of these comments. I have read and heard the names and labels that were placed, not only upon her, but upon other polical leaders whom they don't agree with. I know where to find comments like these any time of the day or night. I have seen and heard people judging the sincereity of an apology as if they had the ability to read into someone's heart. I have read, heard and seen people whose words seem to me intolerant, unforgiving, cruel, dictatorial, relentlous, vicious, vengeful. Yet, although their words and actions strike me this way, I cannot read into their hearts. Are they really the kind of people that their workds imply to me? I can't answer that. Is it fair to accuse a whole group for the actions of some, many, or any of its individual members? I have been told that it is not, and I accept this.

Does Michigan have an open public records law?You can tell already that the Mayor won't release the tape of what she said(because it's absolute proof that she did indeed say those things)unless forced to by law.Come on somebody step up and force the mayor to make those records public.Nothing like a little transparency in government,right Madam Mayor?

There is a difference between transparency and opening oneself up to unleashed rage, and vengeance. Anything that she says or does would come under attack. Her attackers could write the script, but when she read it, they would attack her for the words.

I have explained it the best I know how.

Mr Gray : the subject is :Troy High Gay-Straight Alliance, City Council Members Urge Mayor to Release Recording .
It is not belittling people. What is the value to the discussion in this : propligate" is that sort of like refudiate? Might I suggest you try to use one of them there word books (dikshonarees),perhaps one with pikshoorss for the bigger words.Did yu and Sarah Palin gradooate from the same skool?tHE SUBJECT IS pLEASE propligate" is that sort of like refudiate? Might I suggest you try to use one of them there word books (dikshonarees),perhaps one with pikshoorss for the bigger words.Did yu and Sarah Palin gradooate from the same skool? Lets keep our part of the discussion in focus with the issue. thanks

Danny, you were right again --- I wasn't about to take your bait. That is what people have been doing when they don't like what someone says --- they pick apart their words until they have no resemblance to what they were meant to say originally. Nice try.

Lucille, were you defending me? If so, thank you. What a great example that people who disagree can not only get along, but even care about one another. You made my day.

No one is heaping hate on Janice. She is being held accountable for her own behavior. That is how society operates. Someone behaves in a way that is not acceptable to the public at large, they will suffer consequences. That is how employment operates. When you don't do your job suitably, you suffer consequences.. She chose to run for Mayor. Now she has to do the job. She represents ALL the citizens of Troy. Her election was certainly not a mandate for her personal agenda (which appears to be destroying the government of Troy so that she can rebuild it in her own image). Mirror, Mirror, on the wall.....

Danny, Here is how it goes: 1. I read and see what I perceive is a relentless and vicious attack on our mayor that stems from anger on a part of the electorate that opposed her Troy policies very much before her election. 2. I stand up to express my view that these attacks are far too cruel, too personal, and just way over the top. 3. Now the anger of the attack mob is focused on me, as well, and I am now to be subjected to the same kind of vengeful attacks. ---- I cannot condone what I see and I can't be silent about it, either, since it has always been in my nature to stand up against any kind of injustice. No-one is going to be able to convince me that one unacceptable post on a Face book page months before she even thought of running for office could justify all that I have seen or heard. I really don't have time to get into an endless debate over all this. I know you don't see it the way I do. Do I think you are hateful? Absolutely not! Many, many, many of the people who are throwing bombs are very good people at heart. When you ask me who the instigators are, I just wish I knew, because they are leading a lot of good people down a very bad, and ugly, path.

Danny, I think she has been trying to fix it, but everyone has a different idea about what would "fix it." As I have said before, I think it has taken on a life of its own, much like you describe. The people in that huge, huge mob don't know her at all --- all they know is that FB post. Is that all anyone needs in order to feel justified trying to destroy a person? I don't know the mayor well, but I suspect that we disagree on a great many things. However, I would never want to harm her because she doesn't agree with me. I do agree with her on her Troy policies by the way. Anyway, it is all just so sad. People are showing the worst side of humanity in being without enough compassion to allow her to have the space to recover and try to make amends.Every time she trys, they just go after her all over again. If I had been subjected to as much as she has, I would hardly be able to put two sentences together, let alone begin an intense process of self-examination. Don't people realize that she is a human being with all the feelings that humans experience? Don't they realize that what they are saying has such a hurtful effect. I expect more from people. I know they can do better. Henry Wadsworth Longfellow once wrote: "The little I have seen of the world....teaches me to look upon the errors of others in sorrow, not in anger."

Danny Thank you for stating the outrage and concern so well .

There is so much meanness. Actually, I thought that people were much nicer than they apparently are. They are attack dogs.

Troy is one of the most diverse cities in Michigan behind Ann Arbor. If you don't like diversity you shouldn't be living here or worse yet representing this type of community. What baffles me is why her opinions didn’t come out prior to the election. I'm sure she would not have been elected if people knew.
I also wonder what the tea party backers think of her now?
Do they also share similar beliefs about gays or other cultures?
If the party is in alignment with her views then as a citizen in this community I would like to know so I don't vote for someone from the tea party

You are right Cathy. I love dogs -- I wouldn't want to offend them.

It takes only a few minutes to discover Mary Ann Bernardi is one of the Mayor's biggest supporters. "Not that there is anything wrong with that."

You can discuss Tea Party homophobia until your blue in the face, or one of your kids comes out of the closet, but the fact remains: Mayor Daniels' audio tape falls under FOIA. Plain and simple.

I'm guessing the recording will be miraculously destroyed/lost/taped over.

Robin Beltramini was my candidate. I campaigned for her and I voted for her, but I am able to do what Americans have done for centuries, and that is support those who win an election. I am not, nor ever would be, a member of the Tea Party. What I object to is the merciless and unrelenting persecution of one woman. I would come to the defense of anyone in that position.

The mayor has shown herself to be profoundly stupid, and this goes far beyond gay bashing. It calls into question her ability to hold office. People in general will forgive a mistake when there is repentance shown. But she is unrepentant and wants forgiveness anyway. Watching her deflect and deny and shirk accountability would be fascinating if she wasn't an elected official. Instead, it's horrifying. Even her most vociferous defenders in this thread cannot address what she did wrong. Her smug smirk needs to be wiped off, and the people of Troy should send a message that while all kinds of vulgarity can be called "free speech", they hold officials to a higher standard.

Thomas, of course I would!

(Mary Ann, would you come to the defense of a gay person who was being bullied?)

Does the following sound familiar?

"I can remember commenting on one of her articles and calling her out for her unethical speech. Like many people who engage in bullying behavior and personal attacks, she would try to turn the tables and play the victim, and took criticism of the content of her opinions personally, complaining that people were picking on her."

It is a post from "ccbloger" on December 2, 2011, in reference to an editorial that Janice had in the Oakland Press. This was way before she was elected Mayor.

I guess some habits never die.