Karen , By defiition ignorance can be cured by education . The definition is lack of knowledge or uneducated . The word that I believe we want for Mayor Daniels is stupidty . It means given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner .

Absolutely, agree with Karen. But if I lived in the city and she represented me as a constiuient believe me I'd be at every Council Meeting, STUID WOMAN.

Imagine if you could bring in a bunch of experts to tell the Mayor "Mayor, you have the ignorance disease. It's curable, but gets worse with age, so you need to get help immediately. Take a class a Troy and don't hang out with the bully's, they have ignorance disease too"

Iam also proud of them .

Obviously, we have taught our children well!!! They should be congratulated on acting in the highest values as Americans!!

I believe the kids in Troy High are doing more of the bullying and showing their
ignorance than most adults. This tells me the teachers are very good nowadays,
at least since my daughter went there, They didn't talk so mean and nasty as some
of you writing fhere.

I HOPE NOT !!!!!

sometimes, implying something is just as bad or worse as outright saying it......like implying that the teacher had an inappropriate relationship with one of his students(example)......even if he didn't, he's gonna carry that stigma with them the rest of his life

Or perhaps it's just another example of double talk from a politician.

Steven,
This lady is not a politician, she's an inarticulate real estate agent who manipulated very ill informed voters. A real politician would use diplomacy and double talk to win over voters, and certainly would never been seen around town in hoodies and mom jeans.

Really, Mark? An "ad hairminem" attack? :-)

What a great saying, thank you Nancy for repeating to the people that never heard it
or read it.

That all depends on who is defining "expert". In this case, it would not be the APA. Anyone who agrees with her, she sees as an "expert".

Point of fact. The APA replaced "homosexuality" in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) in 1973 and replaced it with "ego-dystonic homosexuality" which was removed entirely from the DSM in 1986. Since then, the field of psychiatry has not recognized homosexuality alone as a mental illness. Which isn't to say that members of the LGBT community aren't affected by other forms of mental illness just the way the straight community is. What worries me most about mental illness and the LGBT community is the high rate of teen suicide. And I can't help but think that Daniels' publicly expressed homophobia will do irreparable harm to the LGBT students in Troy. It's really time for her to go before her hate causes some despondent teenager to kill themselves.

A good leader would try to learn how to say things so they are not hurting people. You could help her succeed but blaming others will not help her it will give us 4 years of torment. I believe she can learn that governing leadership is different then public pot stirring aboutissues you want changed . .

Mary Ann,
The Mayor needs only to apologize to the students, admit her error, admit the students have a valid position, give her total support to all students of Troy, vow never to cross the line into issues not of her concern as mayor, and go about her business AS MAYOR. That is all the communication she needs to do.

Mary Ann, It sounds to me like a politician saying one thing and meaning another and doing whatever she can to keep her job. Before you condemn the students, why don't you look into her record on the issue of equal rights and anti-bullying. How you can conclude that the kids are not trying to do something positive boggles my mind.

Mary Ann you may be proud but I am humiliated to have that woman represent my city. You think the people who protest her anti gay stance are the ones who are hateful? I think you should look in the mirror.

Mary Ann talking to these people and the kids is like talking to a wall, you can get a
better answer then. They just want this to keep going but I will fight for this Mayor,
I believe there are other people out there that just keep stirring the pot so they will keep writing. So it is better off and even talking to them. Let their parents talk to them and see how far they get.

Mary Ann, she backed out of her promise and wouldn't budge an inch. But to you she is such a victim.

and the Anti-defamation League!

what is wrong with you calling them, or are you affraid they won't answer you? And
Ms Lucille ir should I say Dr. you should know better if you have a doctors degree or
is that just a line you hand out. Maybe it is the same as Obama's, he wouldn't know
what to do with it either.

you see that too!?!?!?

Wow Marcus...such words of hatred.......from my angle, it seems to put you in the same category as everybody here is putting the mayor in.......

she is the Mayor and I don't think she would appreciate you using her first name,
since you are not a friend of hers. Grow up.

for goodness sake, why don't all of you grow up and stop talking so stupidly. Remember what you write may come back to bite you in the you know what.

If you were not a 25% of voting for our governor you cannot participate in our recall. I saw an online petition that had signatures from here to California of which that petition is quite useless....people are getting so narrow minded about this situation, they have no clue as to what they are doing now as far as a recall. That'll probably get all scewed up now.............sigh!

The pope?!! Really? Most people on the planet don't give a hoot what the pope has to say.. you must be kidding..

What rock are you living under. I could care less what the Pope has to say and have no respect for the Catholic church on this issue.

Do ANY of you "Christians" remember "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? Every person's relationship to God is private, and not your business.

Jerry, who are you kidding, not shop here, I live here and I don't care if any of you
ever shop here. Shop in your own country because I won't and Bubba, you are riight,
Washington D.C. is getting out of control, but you can vote people out in November.

That's one reason I live in New York and not Utah. We don't stand for that here.

Don't forget...there is zero dollars to spend because of what the last administration did to Troy.....ran it dry!!!

Oh, Linda, read the post before you post. He did not say no dollars to spend, he said no dollars spent. Meaning he took his money elsewhere. If you think one administration drove Troy into the ground, you are seriously deluded. The Albany area has been depressed for generations.

Doug, too bad, I would hate to tell you how much I spend in Troy, and all of my friends and relatives. So because you didn't could mean you didn't have it to spend,
sorry, that is the way I see it written.

You are right, Lucy. If these "Christians" actually studied the teachings of their savior, they would be far more tolerant and generous. Remember also, "Whatever you do for the least of my brethren, you do for me."

Mr.. Clark, if our Mayor is and embarrassment to our City, then she would be the same for your city. Unless you live somewhere else, then you should mind your own
business. Because we are happy with our Mayor, it was the last Mayor that embarrassed me at most of her meetings. and I have attened all of them for nearly
14 years, can you say the same??

Mary Ann, if you want to be proud of someone, may I suggest Skye Curtis and Zach Kilgore? They are actually still trying to go somewhere positive with this whole mess. On the other hand, Ms. Daniels' actions were condescending, dismissive and disrespectful back in December and seems to be continuing that approach still.

As I wrote back in December, there are real lives at stake. The mayor has demonstrated a strong unwillingness to learn or even to listen and honestly respond. That is a tragic attitude that doesn't indicate brilliance but rather strengthens the image of arrogance that the rest of her actions paint. Further, her actions and her supporters give license to bullies to continue harming innocent citizens of your own community. I am sorry that you're tired of "people who live outside of Troy pontificating" about what we think you should or should not be. However, when you appear to be supportive of homophobic bigotry, you can safely expect some pontificating.

Oh Mary Ann, you will defend Mayor Janice Daniels no matter what she says or does. It doesn't matter to you how many times she tries "to make amends" and "turn it into something positive" She not only fails at that, but then proceeds to says the next outrageous and ignorant thing. NOBODY would even know who she was except for the fact that she brought all this attention onto herself, and Troy, because she is in WAY over her head. So keep on Mary Ann. Keep defending her... until it becomes even embarrassing for you to do so with any dignity.

Mary Ann,
The Mayor is no longer a regular citizen. She is now in the service to all citizens of the city of Troy. As result, she has no right to bring her social fundamental or any beliefs into her office. If asked, she can say "that is not my belief. If pressed, she can say "that is a private matter". She no longer has a right to any position publicly that has nothing to do with her position. Again, there is nothing about her job that has anything to do with her social fundamentalist views and, until she leaves her office, can no longer "fight for (her) beliefs with genuine passion" until she leaves office and becomes a private citizen again.
I live in Troy and do not want important and potentially divisive social issues that are suprefluous to the position of mayor to be associated with our elective offices. We need more Troy residents "pontificating" to our Mayor!
See my other post.

Ms Bernardi , We live in with a global communication system and therefore bigot comments about people are eveyones business . I have lived in Troy for 36 years . Iam also proud of this city . Iam not proud of this division . Our mayor should be bringing people together . She has caused greater divide . It is the parochial
paradygm idea you express that if you do not live in Troy it is not your business . Hurtful and ignorant comments about a group of people should be eveyones business . Anyone who excuses it or supports it is also wrong . She has not made one comment, there is a series of issues in appropriate behavior for a mayor that has people upset. If people did not have the backward idea that your opinion does not count if you do not live in Troy they would understand why the transit center is important for the future our town . I also suggest you look at the positive way Skye Curtis and Zach Kilgore have tried to approach this problem and the terrible way our mayor handles each effort. Who is the leaders and adults here . It is not our mayor.

Mary Ann...well said. I was reading all the comments so far and most are full of hate. Not the Mayor. This article is so vaguely written, how could anyone draw any conclusion from it. I'm sure they are all against gay bashing but I suppose there is no such thing as straight bashing?!! Aside from this Troy thing.... Every time the subject of gays come up anywhere, and a person disagrees, what happens? The person that disagrees gets bashed and big time. But that's considered acceptable....right? I take it that most of you on here are for that nasty mouthed guy that is suppose to be some gay activist speech giver...oh what's his name.....Dan Savage? You want to talk about hateful? Look this guy up if you don't know him....anybody that disagrees with he will slander, attack, spread rumors about that person in a heartbeat, but that's ok!!!!????? I didn;t think that is what the gay community wanted but this guy is suppose to be helping?
And as far as a recall on the mayor....don't count on it.

Linda, Your efforts to redirect the outrage towards upstanding citizens is really transparent. It seems as if you believe calling people who are offended "hateful" will somehow confuse the issue and put a smoke-screen in front of Mayor Daniels. It's a very old trick and it will not work. REAL people are offended by her. Many more than those who hold beliefs such as your own. They are offended by REAL action and words from Mayor Daniels. You will never be able to successfully deflect the blame and responsibility. Only someone much smarter and experienced than yourself could pull off that political trick.

Mary Ann, you couldn't have written it more beautifully, Thank you for sticking up for
our Mayor and I also believe in fighting for my rights. And the next time the school needs money in taxes, I will remember how to vote--- if the kids and their parents act
this way, I will remember at the time it comes to vote for anything.

Audre Zembrzuski,
How are YOUR rights being trampled on?

I agree Jerry, especially as she is no longer a private citizen. This is not her personal fiefdom. She works for us on the issues of the city. This is not one of them. She is allowed her personal and private social, moral, and religious beliefs in her private life, not her public one. She must put all of her private beliefs, special interests, and financial interests into escrow until she is no longer our Mayor.

It is too bad that you don't get the whole story. She said this long before she even
thought about running for Mayor, so this shouldn't even be talked about anymore. I get sick of going to the meetings just to see the same people and hear the same old
garbage. Why don't you talk about Obama and the debt he is leaving you.

Audre Zembrzuski,
Yes, she did make the facebook entry before she was in office, but she has handled the whole situation very poorly since. She is holding to keeping her private beliefs public. She no longer has the same freedom of speech in her position, especially since this issue has nothing to do with the business of the City and being our self appointed minister is not in her job description. She has shown me she is not politically mature enough to hold such an important public office as the Mayor of the City of Troy.

You might be correct if we weren't talking about the position of Mayor. As Mayor, she cannot propagate her personal, private beliefs that have nothing to do with her position as Mayor. This is not hatred; it is anger at the abuse of elected position. We elected our Mayor for a specific job, which does not include our moral or cultural savior.

Are you kidding ? The mayors behavior is subject to public comments . She surely did it as a citzen to the last mayor. Each and every council meeting. The citizens she insulted over and over are the victims of her bullying . She is not a victim except for making herself one.

jm....you noticed that too? Every time a person tries to make a positive statement they get attacked. Perhaps that is why Troy has so many problems these past few year, so many negative people...but they will blame the mayor that has only been in office since November. And then the one guy accusing the mayor of being gay??? What's that called.......bashing someone? Thought that was a no no for these people on here...............

Linda, please point out one positive comment you have made on this board today.

You may be right.
If she is incapable of understanding the inappropriateness of her beliefs now associated with the office of Mayor, she may have a tin ear to her constituents on other issues. Is she Mayor for herself or for us?

I'm beginning to agree with you. Let's keep our eye on her. If she becomes apologetic, we can give her a second chance. If this becomes pattern, we must quickly remove her.

RON OF TROY , DITTO !!!

I am so glad you all pay her a big salary to put up with all of this crap. No wonder our
so called future kids really don't know any better. If they are learning this from their
parents and teachers we should all be so proud of them. Enough said.

Audre, you STILL don't realize that the position of Mayor is paid ~ $175 a month? There IS no big salary?

Hunter , If the mayor said that and she thinks she going to bring psychologist in to explain it it will have to be like the expert she brought in about the transit center who was a person who used data very very outdated and with misinterpretions. Some one pointed out earlier in this chain that the APA stated it was not an illness . Dr Freud wrote a letter in the 1920's to a mother who wanted him to treat her homosexual son . In part he said " While homosexuality may have it inconviences it is not an illness . Our mayor is a graduate of Oakland University she is capable of learning the literature and data . She choses to live with her misguided ideas rather then learn the data . What's more she is nasty and insulting to some of Troy's citzens. If you listen to her 5 page reading of her white paper last night you can see
that she choses to accuse and insult those who she does not agree with. She thinks she knows all and g-d only loves her. She is his only person.

Mary Ann...that someone that combed thru her facebook pages was a Sharon Macdonnell that belongs to some group called Keep Troy Strong...something like that. She put it on her blog and all, you know what broke loose and I am sure she is pretty proud of herself right now. Reading her stuff, it looks like she just plain ole doesn't like Daniels, period! You can find her on facebook and see. That post of Daniels was made back in June and the lady decided to post it on her blog in what December? She said she just didn't think this would happen!!! DUH!!!! The people on this feed wouldn't be satisfied no matter what Daniels did....they could write a speech for Daniels to read word for word and they would still say she read it wrong..........

Ms Bernardi, Trying to use " Red Herrings " to change the focus of Mayor Daniel's
inappropriate comments an behavior is not becoming of you. I have always respected your honesty , however , I am Afraid you are doing all the things that I so dislike about the poltical scene today. Which is to change the focus of the main issue , change the direction of the issue, project the fault , distort what the person did or said. The issue is that Mayor Daniels has repeatdly insulted a group of her citizens , she does not follow proper meeting protocals , Her attempts at apologies have been to reinsult people. I want her to succeed and people like you should help her understand why many many citizens are upset , instead of supporting or excusing her behavior . We need a mayor who can function for all citizens for the next four years . We need a mayor who educates herself on the issues instead of believing she can impose her limited insight concepts on all.

Mary Ann, I think some old people that was on the council may have been the ones
to tell Linds to post it. That is what I have heard.

You are losing sight of the things she has said SINCE she's been in office, defending her behavior. She has NEVER apologized, she has justified. As Danny said, SHE is responsible for all of this. If she had handled it appropriately from the beginning, the storm would never have ensued. By the way, there is INTERNATIONAL outrage at her behavior. Is that REALLY Sharon MacDonnell's fault. She doesn't control Janice's comments to the press or to students. When she took public office, she lost the freedom to voice her personal opinions. She pledged to uphold the constitution---all of it, not just the parts she agrees with.

I want everyone to now know that a friend from outside the USA told me about her face book entry within days of the election. A friend from California followed suit .
I never told anyone but my husband because we intended to write her a private letter
telling her that she needs to treat alll with respect while in this job. What must be understood is facebook is monirored by group of people for issues , it is monitored by the police fbi and cia for criminal purposes . One should never write anything on social networks , e-mails etc that they do not want to be read by those they do not want to readit. I

Linda, just to let you know, that is not how I heard about her FB, so make sure your
story is right.and Lucille, you would have been better off sending her a letter than all
the stuff you have written, you are like one of the kids, and the kids parents ought to have a talk with their kids about this writing and all that is said..

Oh, Mary Ann. Let's be realistic. Her ambitions were transparent for years! And, she certainly dished out her share of unrelenting persecution and hatred. Watch ANY recording of her speaking to council. However, her spew was based on either her not understanding business or government or her intentionally misleading voters. This discussion is based on her behavior, which she has justified to the point that it is VERY clear what she believes.

MA let's give Lucille al the credit for this, after all she is a Dr. but must have nothing
better to do than gossip on this Patch.

Audre, The subject is the mayor and her behavior as mayor . It is not about me . It is not about anyone but her . It is about the fact that she says hateful things about groups of people that she believes she can insult and it is her right to free speech .
She is a bully who bullied both both Mayor Schilling and Councilperson Kerwin.
She has bullied our city manager and other city employees . She has never appropriately apologized to the gay community or to the citizens of Troy for the
defaming effect she had on our city. An appropriate apology never has a "but: in it .
It also requires a change in behavior . We have seen neither of those . Her attempts at apologies have always been more excuses . Sorry but that is what I am saying and what I think the majority in this blog are saying. So this is the topic :
"Troy Mayor Said 'Disturbing Things' in Meeting, Gay-Straight Alliance " nothing else and no red herrings .

Audre , What does this do to add to the discourse ? What is your hangup with my PhD. ? I will inform you that I earned. I paid my tuition. I give much effort to my profession . Since I am 76 years old and still work at my profession maybe it is okay I take sometime off once in awhile. Now can we return to the focus of this discourse? . I now understand why you forget to add content to this discourse, you think we are gossiping . I think we are trying to have a discourse about the situation our mayor has put our city in with her behavior . How it has hurt our city. What she needs to do to end the disgrace we have all over the world. She is accountiable to all of us as an elected official .

I am right there with you, Sharon! Again, she is our Mayor, not our Minister!!
She needs to keep her Proselytizing to herself and do her job for All of Troy.
She appears to be an ideologue before she is leader of the City.

Sharon, I don't believe you were the whistle blower, I think some exMayor put you up
to this and told you to put it on your facebook so others could read it. I am surprise
that you didn't give a speech at the schools, almost sounds like you did to get this
attention.

Thank you, Sharon. It is quite obvious, to the entire country at this point, that Troy, MI has elected a Mayor who is shockingly unqualified to hold a public leadership position. Let's just hope the damage she causes is contained as much as possible. The citizens deserve better... as do the business. Both will suffer until she is out of office.

MA, don't give these people the time of day, Just get that stupid paper of your computer because they have carried this too long. I would like to see them stay out of our city hall also. All reporters, but these people are not reporters just gossip ones.

That's awfully rich coming from you. Anyone who knows you knows that you do the very things you accuse everyone else of doing.

Just how many times does she have to appoligize to the kids which were in the audience at the council meeting If you get one "I am sorry for what I said" out of a
man you are happy, but a woman has to say it over and over and you still don't let up.
and if she is OUR MAYOR, then let her do her job as Mayor. I don't remember all of you writing anything to the last Mayor, or the two before her, so what is your problem.

I do not live in Troy, or Rochester for that matter, but I wonder why that should have anything to do with responding to this Patch article? For those of you that don't know it yet, we live in a global environment. I didn't think I needed a passport to get into the city of Troy. And for those who don't welcome people into their cities to shop don't understand government at all, nor do they understand how their tax dollars are determined. It is called Revenue Sharing and it works like this: People shop in your city, the state collects sales tax and then the state returns a portion of that tax to the cities. This reduces your property tax. So for heavens sake, and for the sake of property tax payers you should be welcoming everyone. (For a little homework assignment call the City of Troy Treasurer and ask what percentage of the city tax base is paid by Somerset Collections property owners. If people did not shop there your property taxes would skyrocket.) I am sorry for the city of Troy and I am sorry for the State of Michigan that one person has brought such a negative spotlight on all of us. Whether you consider her a friend or you consider her a liability you have to admit she is not a particularly good role model at this time. Because she is an admitted Tea Partier she will likely carry on in an angry mode. I pitty anyone who has to walk through life with a chip on their shoulders.

What is wrong with you people she has done that a few times and once should be
enough. Grow up and act like an adult not a kid in school

Well said Mel!!

Audre, the problem with ignorance is that those who suffer most from it don't know they have it and keep spreading it around.

Homeowners don't pay into the DDA. Homeowners did not pay for the Somerset parking deck.

Stop talking until you know what you are saying.