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Troy High Gay-Straight Alliance, City Council Members Urge Mayor to Release Recording

Janice Daniels denies making another anti-gay remark while meeting with the group Monday, but she won't share the audio to prove it.

Members of the Gay-Straight Alliance (GSA) are urging Troy Mayor Janice Daniels, who first made headlines with her last month, to release her audio recording of a with the group Monday afternoon.

The meeting was meant to help the two groups reach an understanding while planning an together, but during a discussion about mental health, members of the Gay-Straight Alliance and their supporters say Daniels told them she would bring in a panel of psychologists to show that .

“There were a lot of disturbing things that were said in that meeting," said GSA member and Troy High School senior Skye Curtis.

Daniels denied making the comment Monday evening, saying, "That is a misrepresentation entirely. ... I never said that."

During Monday evening's City Council meeting, LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) activist said during public comment that she would like the mayor to release her audio recording of the meeting at the community center and asked to file a Freedom of Information Act request for the recording.

Since Monday, at least six individuals associated with the GSA have filed a FOIA, Curtis said.

“She did say very hurtful things," said , a Troy High School junior and member of the school's Gay-Straight Alliance. "We asked the mayor to release the audio recording of the meeting so people can hear what was said.”

Moving on without the mayor

Troy's Gay-Straight Alliance has decided to abandon the project with the mayor after meeting with Daniels during her office hours at the . The group is moving forward with plans to host its own anti-bullying awareness event.

“I want it to be known that the mayor changed her mind," Kilgore said. "We had an agreement about the , and she totally fell back on that. She had agreed to talk about her comment about three weeks ago in our first meeting with her, but she backed out of that now."

Kilgore said he and other GSA members and supporters just want to turn recent events into a positive message for Troy residents. “We want to turn it into a positive event. We want unity. We want to talk about and celebrate diversity because we think it’s a very good thing," Kilgore said.

"I think there are a lot of people that wanted to believe that she was changing and she was sorry, and from what they heard last night and on the audio tape, if she releases it, will prove she isn’t sorry, she doesn’t get it, she’s not going to respect us.”

City Council to mayor: 'Do the right thing'

Troy City Councilman Dane Slater said that releasing the recording would be in the mayor's best interest if she has nothing to hide.

"I would hope that she’d produce the tape and do the right thing," Slater said. "I think I’ll let the public take a look at that and see who’s telling the truth."

"I’m hoping she supposedly taped it," Councilman Jim Campbell said. "I would think the easiest way to prove it woud be to play the tape, so that’s kind of curious that she wouldn’t.”

Mayor Pro Tem Maureen McGinnis said she would also like the mayor to release the recording, adding that there may be a procedure to follow before it can be released. “She should make it public and provide it as requested," McGinnis said.

“It’s the mayor’s situation, and it’s something that she should address," Councilman Doug Tietz said. "People can comment and decide what they think. I’ll leave that up to them."

Mayor Daniels did not return phone calls and emails from Patch on Tuesday.

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Lucille Musser Arking January 12, 2012 at 07:21 PM
Mr Gray : the subject is :Troy High Gay-Straight Alliance, City Council Members Urge Mayor to Release Recording . It is not belittling people. What is the value to the discussion in this : propligate" is that sort of like refudiate? Might I suggest you try to use one of them there word books (dikshonarees),perhaps one with pikshoorss for the bigger words.Did yu and Sarah Palin gradooate from the same skool?tHE SUBJECT IS pLEASE propligate" is that sort of like refudiate? Might I suggest you try to use one of them there word books (dikshonarees),perhaps one with pikshoorss for the bigger words.Did yu and Sarah Palin gradooate from the same skool? Lets keep our part of the discussion in focus with the issue. thanks
danny January 12, 2012 at 07:22 PM
LOL. Yes, I had a feeling you wouldn't try to clarify your various conflicting opinions on haters (i.e. people whom you don't agree with).
firelight January 12, 2012 at 08:10 PM
Danny, you were right again --- I wasn't about to take your bait. That is what people have been doing when they don't like what someone says --- they pick apart their words until they have no resemblance to what they were meant to say originally. Nice try.
firelight January 12, 2012 at 08:13 PM
Lucille, were you defending me? If so, thank you. What a great example that people who disagree can not only get along, but even care about one another. You made my day.
danny January 12, 2012 at 08:44 PM
Honestly, I'm only trying to understand were you're coming from. You have me curious because your responses, to me and others, are inflamed and accusatory. Yet, you won't bother to make yourself clear when someone wants to understand. As I have already stated, I feel your position on "haters" vs those that "stand up" against hate, is incredibly contradictory. I appreciate and respect your willingness to have a meaning discussion about this subject.
Cathy Fucinari January 12, 2012 at 08:58 PM
No one is heaping hate on Janice. She is being held accountable for her own behavior. That is how society operates. Someone behaves in a way that is not acceptable to the public at large, they will suffer consequences. That is how employment operates. When you don't do your job suitably, you suffer consequences.. She chose to run for Mayor. Now she has to do the job. She represents ALL the citizens of Troy. Her election was certainly not a mandate for her personal agenda (which appears to be destroying the government of Troy so that she can rebuild it in her own image). Mirror, Mirror, on the wall.....
firelight January 12, 2012 at 09:32 PM
Danny, Here is how it goes: 1. I read and see what I perceive is a relentless and vicious attack on our mayor that stems from anger on a part of the electorate that opposed her Troy policies very much before her election. 2. I stand up to express my view that these attacks are far too cruel, too personal, and just way over the top. 3. Now the anger of the attack mob is focused on me, as well, and I am now to be subjected to the same kind of vengeful attacks. ---- I cannot condone what I see and I can't be silent about it, either, since it has always been in my nature to stand up against any kind of injustice. No-one is going to be able to convince me that one unacceptable post on a Face book page months before she even thought of running for office could justify all that I have seen or heard. I really don't have time to get into an endless debate over all this. I know you don't see it the way I do. Do I think you are hateful? Absolutely not! Many, many, many of the people who are throwing bombs are very good people at heart. When you ask me who the instigators are, I just wish I knew, because they are leading a lot of good people down a very bad, and ugly, path.
Lucille Musser Arking January 12, 2012 at 09:48 PM
In a indirect way I was defending you against an attempt to put you down .i was trying to keep people focused on the subject of this discourse. I want to stop nasty behavior that has no value except to put someone down. I do not care who is the bully or the person using put down tactics I call them on it. I am not your enemy or his enemy . I am not Mayor Daniels enemy. While I may disagree with you or anyone Itry to be respecrful bu honest and direct. .We are educated civilized adults and we need to all behave like adults . It is different to expect someone to be reponsible for their actions and atrempting to gain by putting other people down . That level of puy down behavior is okay in middle school it is not okay by adults .
danny January 12, 2012 at 10:05 PM
I think I clearly understand how you feel, and that you believe there are instigators with political motives. Maybe so, but I can't speak of that. What I can say is, to me, the Mayor made a careless mistake with the FB post... that is forgivable... we all say stupid things sometimes. But I really don't understand why Janice Daniels can't resolve this with grace and dignity. Why does she make it worse? It's not that complicated to resolve. Yes, her political opponents will always throw bombs... that's politics as usual. But this is clearly different. You now have an national story, involving people of every political ideology, people of different faiths, and people of different generations, all up in arms. Not about the original mistake, but about the perceived defiant attitude that sullies the office of the Mayor. These people are not her political opponents. Nor are they people fooled by her political opponents. This has been horrible to watch unfold... a city is being torn apart and it's economy will suffer as a result. And it is certainly horrible to watch how shocked the Mayor appears every time she says something new that offends people. She is responsible for this. She can fix it. She can learn something and move on. Why won't she? Maybe it's because she doesn't believe the outrage is real. Maybe she thinks its the doing of her enemies.
Lucille Musser Arking January 12, 2012 at 10:14 PM
Ms Bernardi , In all due respect I must disagree that it was only one little remark . It is how she handled that remark when it went viral . There has been no apology that any ethics could accept as an apology . It is what she is accused of saying to the high school students . It is her always talking about open government and refusing to give the taspes of what is public under the criteria for FOA . It is her trashing city coiuncil members in public . It is her trashing the city manager in public . It is her not following important meeting rules dicretc etc. I did not vote for others on council but do you hear meor others coplaining about them . I do strongly believe that this is about her unacceptable behavior and not about the fact that only 13% of the registered voters voted for her. If I did believed it was sour grapes about her a election I would be defending her . It is about a lot of unacceptable behavior . If you know her and are her friend the best friend you can be is to advise her to look at appropriate behavior for an elected offical . It uch different then being a critic of public officals . Letus please keep focus on the issue not the person.
firelight January 12, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Danny, I think she has been trying to fix it, but everyone has a different idea about what would "fix it." As I have said before, I think it has taken on a life of its own, much like you describe. The people in that huge, huge mob don't know her at all --- all they know is that FB post. Is that all anyone needs in order to feel justified trying to destroy a person? I don't know the mayor well, but I suspect that we disagree on a great many things. However, I would never want to harm her because she doesn't agree with me. I do agree with her on her Troy policies by the way. Anyway, it is all just so sad. People are showing the worst side of humanity in being without enough compassion to allow her to have the space to recover and try to make amends.Every time she trys, they just go after her all over again. If I had been subjected to as much as she has, I would hardly be able to put two sentences together, let alone begin an intense process of self-examination. Don't people realize that she is a human being with all the feelings that humans experience? Don't they realize that what they are saying has such a hurtful effect. I expect more from people. I know they can do better. Henry Wadsworth Longfellow once wrote: "The little I have seen of the world....teaches me to look upon the errors of others in sorrow, not in anger."
danny January 12, 2012 at 10:40 PM
I agree with you that Mayor Daniels must feel very beat-up at this point. But it is a result of her own actions. She certainly is smart enough to win an election, so why can't she wrap her head around what an apology is? Why does she keep inciting people with her words and beliefs? Nobody is making this stuff up out of thin air. I would never expect the general public to ease-up because I felt badly that an elected official was receiving flack for what they said or did. She is an adult woman who is now a Mayor of a functioning city! She isn't a child or somehow handicapped that would thus need special consideration in excusing her offensive behavior.
Lucille Musser Arking January 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM
Danny Thank you for stating the outrage and concern so well .
firelight January 13, 2012 at 12:59 AM
There is so much meanness. Actually, I thought that people were much nicer than they apparently are. They are attack dogs.
Cathy Fucinari January 13, 2012 at 06:26 PM
Oops. Name calling. Be careful who you call a dog.
Lynn Drake January 13, 2012 at 07:22 PM
Troy is one of the most diverse cities in Michigan behind Ann Arbor. If you don't like diversity you shouldn't be living here or worse yet representing this type of community. What baffles me is why her opinions didn’t come out prior to the election. I'm sure she would not have been elected if people knew. I also wonder what the tea party backers think of her now? Do they also share similar beliefs about gays or other cultures? If the party is in alignment with her views then as a citizen in this community I would like to know so I don't vote for someone from the tea party
firelight January 13, 2012 at 07:30 PM
You are right Cathy. I love dogs -- I wouldn't want to offend them.
Cathy Fucinari January 13, 2012 at 10:23 PM
She was incredibly adept at deflecting and misrepresentation. For the past 3 years, I have been trying to warn people about the attitudes prevalent in the tea party here in Troy and the fact that they are dangerous people. Her party backers are probably disappointed that she shot herself in the foot so early. Please go to the TRUST facebook page to keep yourself informed. They are a nonpartisan in their agenda and multipartisan in membership. Their goal is to fact check all sides of the issues and expose the deflections and misrepresentations. You can read the mission, vision and goals on their page.
Seymour Concerned January 14, 2012 at 11:33 AM
It takes only a few minutes to discover Mary Ann Bernardi is one of the Mayor's biggest supporters. "Not that there is anything wrong with that." You can discuss Tea Party homophobia until your blue in the face, or one of your kids comes out of the closet, but the fact remains: Mayor Daniels' audio tape falls under FOIA. Plain and simple. I'm guessing the recording will be miraculously destroyed/lost/taped over.
firelight January 14, 2012 at 03:28 PM
Robin Beltramini was my candidate. I campaigned for her and I voted for her, but I am able to do what Americans have done for centuries, and that is support those who win an election. I am not, nor ever would be, a member of the Tea Party. What I object to is the merciless and unrelenting persecution of one woman. I would come to the defense of anyone in that position.
Thomas T January 14, 2012 at 03:43 PM
The mayor has shown herself to be profoundly stupid, and this goes far beyond gay bashing. It calls into question her ability to hold office. People in general will forgive a mistake when there is repentance shown. But she is unrepentant and wants forgiveness anyway. Watching her deflect and deny and shirk accountability would be fascinating if she wasn't an elected official. Instead, it's horrifying. Even her most vociferous defenders in this thread cannot address what she did wrong. Her smug smirk needs to be wiped off, and the people of Troy should send a message that while all kinds of vulgarity can be called "free speech", they hold officials to a higher standard.
Thomas T January 14, 2012 at 03:48 PM
Mary Ann, would you come to the defense of a gay person who was being bullied? Because the net effect of the Mayor's "commentS" (yes, plural, it wasn't just one time on FB) forments a climate where gay people are abused. It happens every day. Her further demonization of gay people in the context of addressing teenagers is disgusting and shameful. If she feels persecuted, good! Maybe there's a lesson here for her to learn. She certainly doesn't seem smart enough to realize it yet, but perhaps another heaping helping of shame will do the job. Object all you like, but it looks like she messed with the wrong people and is paying the price for it.
Lucille Musser Arking January 14, 2012 at 05:42 PM
Lynn , In all due respect it is every voters responsibility to know what a candidate respresents before they vote . It is easy now days to find information on even local candidates because of the internet . Most of the time the best way to vet city candidates is to watch the public comment section of city council . For years some of the future candidates comment and comment at each and ever city council meeting , often berating council and city employees . In the process they also tell many mistruths and fail to correct the mistruths when data is given which demonstatres the mistruths. The second advice is never trust campaign literature that states extreme interruptions of issues or promises of absolutes such as to never do something such as raise taxes or always do something. . It is a clue that they are not a problem solver bu t an idealogy. Mayor Daniels very often took the opportunity to speak at public comment and she read long papers like she did last monday at the meeting . The papers were filled with idealogical concepts and miss information. After she filled for council she stopped but set in the front row every meeting . It seemed to me that she was told by someone to not sho w her position until after the election. That is a guess on my part not a fact. The next thing is I never miss league of women voters forums . that alllo ws you to see how each candidate answers the same questions.
Lucille Musser Arking January 14, 2012 at 05:43 PM
continuation of my thoughts : On the other hand Ms Beltrammi was on first on the planning commisssion and later on city council, she show herself to be a analytical thinker and a true conservative . She was often able to find ways for the different groups on council to find a way that most would agree . She continued to educate herself on current urban issues and she would share what she learned with her collegues. She would of been an ideal mayor at this time when Troy is very divided in opinion . It is a shame that Troy voters do not feel it important to learn who they sholud vote for in a manner expected of an imformed voter . I have seen this happen for at least the past decade . The results has been a very noisy minority rules because they have money to get their often mistruths out . It was true of building troy high, the long lake interchange, the capping the city milage , the library , etc. The next issue is that Troy voters are very poor voters in local elections. Mayor Daniels was elected with only 13% of the registered voters . Onl y 25% came out to votethi s election . That turn out is a bit better then most city elections .
Lucille Musser Arking January 14, 2012 at 05:52 PM
Ms Bernardi , I too generally support those who are elected by the voters . Why do I not support Mayor Daniels . The difference here is that Mayor Daniels is giving our city a very black eye across the world . She is not working for the betterment of all of Troy . She does not seem to learn from mistakes and move on in a constructive way. If and when she does so I will support her. Until then I will be civil in doing it but I will speak out against what is hurting our city.
firelight January 14, 2012 at 07:07 PM
Thomas, of course I would! (Mary Ann, would you come to the defense of a gay person who was being bullied?)
Thomas T January 14, 2012 at 07:44 PM
Mary Ann, that's good to know. So it shouldn't be much of a logical leap for you to conclude that the Mayor's conduct wasn't an idle, offhand, harmless statement. (Though it can be fairly said that casual cruelty is the worst kind.) When an elected official repeatedly and unrepentantly degrades a segment of society, it gives people who hate that group ammunition. It creates a climate where bullies feel free to do exactly as she did. Therefore, this is not, as you suggest, an isolated incident and she is not, as you suggest, a victim. Her vulgar comments - more than one - are being judged in the court of public opinion, and the general consensus seems to be that she has the all the conscience and self-awareness of a dirty alley cat. She should resign. She is unfit to represent a city that has residents who she so clearly hates.
Linda January 14, 2012 at 08:46 PM
Does the following sound familiar? "I can remember commenting on one of her articles and calling her out for her unethical speech. Like many people who engage in bullying behavior and personal attacks, she would try to turn the tables and play the victim, and took criticism of the content of her opinions personally, complaining that people were picking on her." It is a post from "ccbloger" on December 2, 2011, in reference to an editorial that Janice had in the Oakland Press. This was way before she was elected Mayor. I guess some habits never die.
Mike January 16, 2012 at 04:02 AM
I'm sorry Mary Ann but are you really that blind? If the mayor releases the tape and it confirms what she said where is the harm. The only reason for her not to release the tape is two, first she never taped the conversation and has once again lied to the public or secondly the tape proves once again she lied. If she said what she said, play the tape and the issue is over. Sometimes the simplest answer is the right answer.
Lucille Musser Arking January 16, 2012 at 04:13 PM
Ms Bernardi , It seems to me that the very reason she should release it is because she taped it in the role of mayor . The second reason is that if she is being misquoted it will correct it . There appears to be a lack of knowledge by our mayor that everything she says or does in the role of mayor is public .

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