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Troy Mayor Challenges Recall Petition Signatures Just Before Deadline

Janice Daniels sent a letter to the Oakland County Elections Division challenging some of the signatures just 10 minutes before the 4:30 p.m. deadline.

The Oakland County Elections Division confirmed Thursday afternoon that embattled Troy Mayor Janice Daniels filed a last-minute letter challenging some of the the signatures by the political action group Recall Jancie Daniels.

“It was filed at 4:20 today," Elections Director Joe Rozell said. "It was dropped off by Mr. (Ray) Watts, but it was signed by Janice Daniels.”

Daniels had until 4:30 p.m. Thursday to challenge any of the 8,882 signatures already verified by the Elections Division. Rozell, however, said many of the signatures Daniels is challenging were already thrown out by the Elections Division.

“We’ve only done a cursory review of it because we just received it, but it appears they’re challenging signatures that we already disqualified," Rozell said. "We provided them a list showing which were counted and which weren’t, but they challenged the ones we didn’t count."

Rozell said Daniels also challenged the validity of the signatures where the date of signing was crossed off and corrected without the voter's initials.

"They’re saying that because the voter failed to initial it, it’s not valid, but we’re not aware of anything that requires voters to initial it," Rozell said.

"The other thing they’re alleging is that the voter signed their name, printed their name and printed their address, and then somebody else wrote the date," Rozell said. "We’ve not found a single instance where the way the petition was dated appears different, or that it looks like it was done by a single individual.”

Rozell said he and his team will likeley spend part of the weekend reviewing Daniels' challenge request and may have a determination as early as Monday.

“The law permits challenging based on genuineness of signatures or genuineness of validity of registration," Rozell added. "If any of these things are outside of that scope, we aren’t allowed to consider them.”

The issue, which Troy City Attorney Lori Grigg Bluhm said "would basically be ," will be on the Nov. 6 ballot in Troy if at least 7,985 signatures are still valid after Daniels' challenge.

The issue on the ballot "would be a yes or no question," Troy City Clerk Aileen Bittner said in a previous interview with Troy Patch. “The law says that if there are more yes votes than no votes, that’s it.”

Bittner said what would happen next, if the mayor is recalled, is tricky.

“According to the charter, in the absence of the mayor, the mayor pro tem assumes responsibilities. Beyond that, the city attorney and I would need to do an analysis to determine what would happen next.”

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Daniels first came under fire in December for her  and has remained the center of controversy after  (a  was later approved), telling the  Gay-Straight Alliance she would bring in an expert to tell them  and writing a lengthy position paper some viewed as .

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Sharon July 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM
They're are just upset because it's impossible to believe that over 10% of the entire city population signed the petitions. They simply can't wrap their heads around the FACT that so many people want her out. But it's true.
Dave W July 14, 2012 at 11:26 PM
Randy, the Mayor slurred me. Period. "Nice try though". She didn't slur you, so you think it's fine. It's true one may or may not be offended by a slur, but the fact is it was a slur. Then she doubles down and provides her opinion over medical fact and furthers a bigoted stereotype. Sorry to leave "room for interpretation"; Ok, let me replace "reputable" with "backed by the APA", is that better? There is no room for interpretation as to who is a valid authority. It is not MY OPINION that the American Psychological Association is a valid authority, it is a fact that they are the world's largest association of psycholgists, and an authority on medical knowledge. I'd also note that organizations like the American Family Association and Family Research Council, with their debunked "facts", are classified as hate groups. Are these the alternate authorities you are claiming we should trust? Like the guy that spoke at Council a couple weeks ago? Why should we accept your opinion that these sources are more factual? Would you trust the KKK or the American Bar Association on legal matters regarding discrimination? If you don't think the American Pyschological Association is a valid authority, who is? I don't know if you were offended, but if you weren't offended by Sassafrassy, you wouldn't have responded as you did. See, I answered your questions. Your continued avoidance to answer any question is great though. Deflection is classic with people like you.
Daffy Noodnicks July 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM
My authorities are the main professional organization for psychiatrists. They say she is wrong and so are you. What are your authorities? Please let me know. Let's get factual. I would like to see just how antigay the mayors supporters are.
Ed Hecker July 15, 2012 at 08:24 PM
Randy ... are you the same Jasky associated with fedupusa.org? I'm fed up, too, but I don't see Janice Daniels doing anything but reciting Tea Party rhetoric and she strikes me as way in over her head. Can't we come up with someone better?
Randy Jasky July 15, 2012 at 09:54 PM
Dave, Mayor Daniels slurred nobody. Period. Nice try again. The APA, an association of professional psychologists, is the only "authority" you will recognize. Fine. I don't. I don't trust psychologists any farther than I can throw them...any of them. The next time you talk to a psychologist, ask them if they've ever cured anybody. Their answer will tell you everything you need to know about psychology. You are putting words into my mouth (citing authorities in my name) then attacking those statements. Look up the term: straw man argument, then come back. I'll wait. You are still assuming I was offended by Sassafrassy. Nice pseudo-retraction. You answered none of my questions, and I won't play childish games with verbiage just to make you feel superior. What did you mean by the phrase, "...people like you."? I'm sure your intent was not to flatter.
Randy Jasky July 15, 2012 at 09:58 PM
Ed, yes I am that Jasky, and I'm not merely "associated with" FedUpUSA, I'm the Webmaster, one of the Editors, and a Founding Member. If "someone better" had bothered to run, they may have garnered our support. Since Mayor Daniels was willing to run, and do her best to return the City of Troy to fiscal responsibility, we supported her...and still do.
Daffy Noodnicks July 15, 2012 at 10:46 PM
How about the American medical association, the American psychiatric association, or the WHO? How about the DSM (The Book on psychiatry)? They all say you, and the mayor, are wrong. What are your sources Randy?
Dave W July 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM
Randy, the Mayor slurred me, and I am a person. The fact that you can't even admit that calling gay people "queers" is derogatory is stunning. It's defined as "Slang: Disparaging and Offensive: Homosexual" aka "slur", but neither you nor the Mayor can even admit that. You just spout off "she didn't slur anyone". Ok, so you don't trust psychologists. I'm still curious who you think the valid authority is. We've asked you, but you won't answer that. I never put words in your mouth, or cited authorities in your name, or claimed that you support them. I only asked you if those are the groups you'd trust. You were free to refute those groups, as well as the APA, but again only deflection and attacking me as an answer. I'm not trying to "feel superior", I'm honestly trying to understand your rationale that you refuse to defend. You asked if it was open to interpretation what a valid authority was, and I responded the APA is the leading authority in that area. You asked how I knew you were offended, and I responded I didn't know if you were or not. So I answered both of your questions. I asked you what your "valid authority" would be, you said you don't trust any psychologist and that I put words in your mouth. I've provided logical equivalences not strawmen and you refuse to respond, dismissing them as irrelevant. "...people like you" was neither meant to flatter or offend, merely an observation that you belong to a group of people who can't justify a position.
Randy Jasky July 16, 2012 at 12:09 AM
Dave, Mayor Daniels slurred nobody. Every time the word "queer" is used by anybody, is it an affront to all gays everywhere? You might want to check with the men on Queer Eye For The Straight Guy, or organize a boycott of A&E. It's a common term that she used as a private citizen, 6 months before she ran for Mayor. Using a private citizen's words against them after they take office is sick, and there is likely a law against it. I am not about to sit here and list "authorities" for you to knock down. You most certainly DID cite several others...all by yourself, and it is right there for everyone to read/interpret. Your intent was clear, and I never attacked you. If I choose to, you'll know it. Your words, "Why should we accept your opinion...legal matters regarding discrimination?" I never cited these sources, nor did I state that they are factual...you did. THAT is a straw man argument. More from you, "I don't know if you were offended, but if you weren't...you wouldn't have responded as you did." You backed away from telling me I was offended, only to state that I must be. THAT is what I took issue with. Until/unless you ask a direct question of me that I am capable of answering, or that is not some logical fallacy, or that is not some setup, I will continue to ignore the questions you pose.
Daffy Noodnicks July 16, 2012 at 12:39 AM
Um...Randy I could come up with a much bigger list of professional organizations that say what you and the Mayor said was false. I stopped with the AMA and what is basically the AMA for psychiatrists, and the DSM. These are VERY authoratative sources with regard to psychiatry (the mayor did say "psychiatrists"). You haven't given one source. Is this because you are unable to, since you are wrong and they don't exist?
Dave W July 16, 2012 at 12:57 AM
Thanks for proving my point, Randy. Yes, in the context she used that word it was a slur. I can find plenty of instances where the N word is used in a non-derogatory manner, but replace what she said with the N word, and then tell me that it's not a slur in the same context. I did bring up those other sources all by myself, you did not, and I asked if those are sources you would cite. You didn't answer that direct question. You're right, I didn't know if you were offended, but it was my opinion that you were. I know you don't care about other people's opinions, so why does it bother you? As far as using this comment for the recall, it's not being used. What is being used is the fact she told the high school kids that she would bring psychiatrists to tell them that if they are gay they are living a dangerous lifestyle. As we've been pointing out, no psychiatrist/medical professional associated with their profession associations support her claim. You tell us there are alternate authorities, yet refuse to name them. Apparently nearly 9,000 other citizens agree that this is one of many valid reasons to want her recalled.
Linda July 16, 2012 at 01:45 AM
FedUpUSA endorsed Janice Daniels. WOW!! I e-mailed them to ask what they based their endorsement on and was told they spoke with Janice. When I asked how they confirmed the allegations of misuse of the city funds, I was told they asked Janice. Need I say more?
Ed Hecker July 16, 2012 at 02:07 AM
Oh boy ... the same Janice Daniels who claimed we could fund the Library five times out of Fund Balance? We see clearly now that isn't true. Randy, I'm assuming you met with folks from the Finance Staff at the city to discern your stance ... surely?
Cathy Fucinari July 16, 2012 at 11:31 AM
I get it. You suspect someone else dated the petitions because youare familiar with the McCotter fiasco? Is that it? All of your statements are meaningless.
Cathy Fucinari July 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM
"Until/unless you ask a direct question of me that I am capable of answering, or that is not some logical fallacy, or that is not some setup, I will continue to ignore the questions you pose." I guess we are done here. I can't think of a single question that would fit the criteria of "capable of answering." It seems your temper has taken control.
Jeff S. July 16, 2012 at 01:06 PM
If the mayor had said, "the homeschooling lifestyle is dangerous," then Randy Jasky who would be working to recall Ms. Daniels. I would be there to help him as that statement is not true and is unnecessarily divisive. It's a shame that Mr. Jasky can't see that Janice's quip about "queers" was a slur and her statement about the "homosexual lifestyle" is also not true. It's also a shame that Mr. Jasky apparently has no empathy for those who Janice has hurt.
Cathy Fucinari July 16, 2012 at 01:36 PM
He doesn't understand that not only has her bigotry hurt people, her incompetence and arrogance have injured the community's reputation. He, with his unwavering support of such flaws, has contributed to the damage. He is incapable of identifying it because he has so strongly aligned himself with said flaws.
Linda July 16, 2012 at 06:23 PM
What happened to Randy? Was it something we said? More citizens need to understand what is going on in our fine city. We need to spread the word. The truth needs to get to each and every one of the citizens so they can make the right decision in November.
Cathy Fucinari July 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Gee Randy, nothing to say about fraud now?
Jeff July 17, 2012 at 12:39 PM
"Randy" represents those Janice Daniels' supporters who maintain this "blind faith." They will continue to support her, seemingly, at all costs. Like Janice, they believe that the "ends justify the means", and will stop at nothing to be heard, including LIES. Example: At the last City Council Meeting (July 9), Janice attempted to provide a list of accomplishments she had initiated during her 8+ months as Mayor of Troy. She had NO shame when she took credit for opening the Troy Library on Saturdays. WRONG! Daniels actually voted AGAINST the Troy Library remaining opened on Saturday. Yet here she is, once again LYING to the Troy citizens, this time while looking into the camera at a Troy City Council Meeting, right in front of her Council Members. When Councilman Slater was granted an opportunity to respond, he attempted to set the record straight, regarding the fact that Daniels actually voted AGAINST the Troy library remaining open on Saturday (a matter of public record). Daniels got extremely angry, and totally interrupted Slater during his "response to public comments" time. Daniels actually shouted down Slater, right in the middle of his comments. Her actions were unprofessional and violated council protocol procedures. The City Clerk should have stopped Daniels immediately due to her conduct. TROY CITIZENS BE WARNED! Daniels will continue to resort to such lies and "bully" tactics as she fights for her political career all the way to November 6.
Randy Jasky July 18, 2012 at 07:43 PM
Linda, with whom did you speak?
Randy Jasky July 18, 2012 at 07:43 PM
Ed, you know what they say about assuming...
Randy Jasky July 18, 2012 at 07:44 PM
"...it seems..." Yeah, all opinion, no fact. LOVE it!
Randy Jasky July 18, 2012 at 07:45 PM
Her "quip" came 6 months before she even ran. As such, that comment is not a subject for debate in regards to her job performance as Mayor.
Randy Jasky July 18, 2012 at 07:47 PM
She is neither a bigot, nor is she incompetent, or arrogant...but all three "traits" are on display right here at The Patch. A Politically Correct Wonderland, this place is...and a HUGE echo-chamber. Why does anybody even bother commenting here? Can't you folks just all get together each week for a Love Fest/Back Slapping Session?
Randy Jasky July 18, 2012 at 07:47 PM
Linda, I have a life outside The Patch. I understand that most regulars here don't.
Sassafrassy July 20, 2012 at 04:29 AM
She said it during her "Mayor's Office Hours" on January 9th. http://troy.patch.com/articles/troy-mayor-called-gay-lifestyle-dangerous-audiotapes-reveal Then, she said it again on June 13 during an interview with her buddy, Charlie Langton. http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2012/06/14/news/doc4fda57a39ec1b292690649.txt
Linda July 20, 2012 at 04:43 AM
Randy, I think you should do a little self evaluation. You post here and elsewhere about the people on this blog. You continuously attack the posters with no supportive evidence, after being asked repeatedly for the same. Also, do you think you are going to be taken seriously when you refer to these posters as "patch-holes?" Let's get serious here and at least try to be professional and have a dialogue based on FACTS! I would also post this remark on the TCU (Troy Citizens United) FB page, but I am not allowed to post since I don't agree with them. At least on the Patch we can hear both sides. All I'm asking for is your supporting evidence for your statements. My statements are based on facts (Janice's own words most of the time) and I can give you the supporting evidence.
Sue Martin July 20, 2012 at 01:12 PM
Chuckling...uh, Randy...that's rich.
Daffy Noodnicks July 20, 2012 at 01:50 PM
Randy: Perhaps you should stick to sites where everyone shares your opinion. You obviously can't take the scrutiny and can't deal with facts that don't agree with what you would like to believe. That site you run is a real doozy.

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