Troy Mayor Recall Group Has 97 Percent of Required Signatures

The group has until the end of next week to collect the remaining signatures in order to trigger a recall election in November.

During , Recall Janice Daniels founder Matt Binkowski stood up during public comment to provide an update on the group's effort to recall embattled Troy Mayor Janice Daniels.

“We have now received more signatures than voted for you in November," Binkowski said during the meeting.

In an email to Patch Monday evening, Binkowski confirmed the group has collected 7,760 – or 97 percent – of the 7,985 signatures needed to trigger a recall election in November.

The group has until June 15 to collect the remaining 225 signatures.

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Daniels first came under fire in December for her  and has remained the center of controversy after  (a  was later approved), telling the  Gay-Straight Alliance she would bring in an expert to tell them  and writing a lengthy position paper some viewed as .

For comprehensive coverage of the recall effort, visit the Troy Mayor Janice Daniels topic page.

Ed Lambert June 06, 2012 at 09:20 PM
Yes, we've rambled a bit, CC. First Amendment rights are important, however. Without them a "popularity contest" (or 'unpopularity contest") would determine who may post. Believe me, I know whereof I speak.
Ed Lambert June 06, 2012 at 09:23 PM
I plan to be there, Cris, and am hoping others join for civil coffee. What, no "adult beverages"? I won't arrive in my Prius or Cooper nor be carrying a copy of the New York Times. Look for a shaven head.
Chris P. June 06, 2012 at 10:06 PM
This thread illustrates how divisive this mayor is ... she needs to resign. Whether you agree with her views or not, it is clear she is in over her head. It's clear also that those who helped get her elected have disappeared. We no longer see Martin Howrylak, Deb Debacker or Bob Gosselin at the council meetings in their puppeteering roles. Their silence is politically deafening.
Ellen Hodorek June 07, 2012 at 03:26 AM
Enjoyed coffee with a few of the folks from this comment thread tonight. I appreciated them listening to me make a plea for functioning from a place of fact finding. And I heard them loud and clear about their desire to function/decision-make from a place of principle. I'm trying (I swear to God) to understand their perspective; and I felt there was an attempt to understand mine. Here's the thing ... I really believe the second you hear in your head the words "it seems like," or "why couldn't they just," or "I'm assuming" before you judge/comment/assert opinions on how the city conducts its business, that should be a warning to yourself to wonder if you need more information. There is a lot of oversimplification and just plain not understanding what it takes to get the job done underlying a lot of the frustration. And this begets more frustration! Anyway, I appreciated the coffee time with Steve, Ed and and Cristian. And, believe it or not, we agreed we would do coffee again ... or maybe another type of beverage. :) And we also agreed to be "nice" on these comment threads ... or not comment at all. We actually ended the night with handshakes/hugs. Yup. Believe it. It's true. We don't agree on much, but we don't hate one another. That's something!
Cristian Teodoridis June 07, 2012 at 03:30 AM
Ellen, it was a pleasure and I look forward to our next meeting! It was also great meeting Steve and Ed for the first time! All great people, passionate about our city.
Dale Murrish June 08, 2012 at 12:51 AM
Ellen, Steve, Cristian, Ed - Glad you all had a good discussion over coffee. Everyone is invited to the USA Melting Pot club meetings at the Troy Public Library on Thursdays 7-9 p.m. The next meeting will be June 28 on India’s culture and canoeing. Future meetings are July 26 (Korean culture and camping), August 16 (German culture, soccer and classic car restoration). Our first annual Bridgebuilders picnic will be at the Troy Historic Village Sunday, August 19 after the Dream Cruise. http://troy.patch.com/blog_posts/introducing-usa-melting-pot We had our first meeting May 31 with some great presentations on Chinese culture and bicycle touring. Mayor Pro-tem McGinnis and Mayor Daniels attended and gave good feedback for future meetings. Part of our thinking for starting the first USA Melting Pot club in Troy was to help defuse its toxic political environment by finding common ground on areas we agree on. At least we would all know each other instead of being anonymous and impolite on blogs. If you’re not busy on Thursdays, come out and learn about languages, cultures, sports, and outdoor activities and help us plan the picnic where we’ll enjoy lots of good food and some Troy history!
Ed Lambert June 08, 2012 at 02:15 AM
Chris, you might ask for the starting point of divisiveness. I don't believe it is the mayor herself. Rather it is, in a generalized sort of way, a certain view of government that many do not subscribe to. Morever, many of those "many" dislike being labelled; but in so many of their posts demonstrate that the label is accurate. What has played out here in Troy in recent months closely resembles what has played out in our neighbor state across the lake for a good while. It was NOT resolved Tuesday, despite the election results. The "anti" crowd will be back. Perhaps what we have here on a miniturized scale is a reflection of what we have nationally. There ARE competing and contradictory views of the nature of government, and these views influence are attitudes about everything that has a political dimension, from planning meetings in a subdivision to the chambers on the Hill in DC. What we may be experiencing for the first time in Troy is a very concerted effort on the part of those with one view of government to organize and win. That, too, is happening on the national level in the struggle within one of the political parties to make it truly distinct from the other one. I think you catch my drift.
Ed Lambert June 08, 2012 at 02:31 AM
Cathy, references to the people supporting the tea party movement by using a pornographic sexual term is unacceptable. Interesting, isn't it, from which side of the political spectrum this pornographic term came. One need only look at the most prominent of political websites on both sides of the divide and compare the level of the language used. So be it. Free speech.
Ed Lambert June 08, 2012 at 02:40 AM
Tim, so the Urban Dictionary is your reputable source of definitions? Do you really think that a sign or two proclaiming the Civil Rights Act to be un-American to be representative of all tea party supporters? If so, then I'm sure I can find scads of signs with foul language on them, held up by demonstrators on the other side of the political spectrum and say they are representative of that side. I will bet you, though, that were a count made from viewing video of various rallies, you will find more scatalogical and obscene signs on one side of the political spectrum than on the other. Wanna compare the quantity and quality of the trash left at Wisconsin's state capitol versus that left at the Glenn Beck rally in DC? Tim, you really don't want to go where some of your statements are leading you. Besides, neither of us wants to be accused of venturing beyond local themes, right?
Ed Lambert June 08, 2012 at 02:49 AM
Jeff, here's another ball being thrown on to the court: Some folks recently complained about one of the posters being excessively argumentative. Mind you, no complaints about personal attacks or inappropriate language. The poster got a warning, after which he immediated noted that violations of First Amendment rights are actionable in court. Yes we must be civil. No, there is no "mama" to run to when we cannot defend our positions and dislike the very notion that someone challenged us, at least not anymore. FYI, the above is documented, too. Now, let's all be adults. There's no crying room hereabouts.
Tim McGee June 08, 2012 at 12:11 PM
Ed: The Tea Party invited the term "teabagger" by adopting the tea bag as a logo and the derogatory definition of "teabagger" is not the implication for the Tea Party today...at least not in my thoughts as I didn't even know what it was until I googled "teabagger" as a response to Cristian. Additionally, I am not painting a broad stroke on all Tea Party advocates...only the version that Mayor Daniels, Glenn Clark, et al are espousing. I believe in limited government, taxation only when neccesary and a strong military, but I also believe in limiting our military so that we don't promote war or become the world's policeman...a fair taxation policy...pro-choice...and tolerance and acceptance to all regardless of race, religion or sexual preference. I believe that Mayor Daniels' comments concerning a gay lifestyle; her position on the definition of marriage; her support/promotion of anti-transit center speakers that infered a racist slant into their arguements; and her support of unqualified people of questionable racist leanings to serve on the city's boards puts her further right of the traditional Tea Party movement. Again whether she knows it or not, her actions and words place her outside the circle of traditional republicans. Oh and I will be voting for Romney in November as the current President is even further left of the traditional democrat.
Cathy Fucinari June 08, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Ed, again you are suggesting that I used a term to describe the tea party movement that I DID NOT USE! Nor have I ever used it. My vocabulary is sufficiently large to not require such terms. I expect an apology for the multiple times you have accused me. If you look back at a post from June 5 at 9:02 am, you will see that it was someone named Jeffrey. Again, misinformation slandering individuals.
Ellen Hodorek June 08, 2012 at 01:32 PM
Thank you , Dale, for the invitation. I appreciate it. Fortunately, I've raised my children and have been part of the "melting pot" here for years. It's why I understood the reaction to the "Chi Comm" comment and why there were fellow members of the community who took it as a slur, while others said they simply should not have taken it that way. I'm hoping your melting pot sessions will help others -- particularly those who have chose to be so outspoken -- to be equally sensitive. I would also invite others to do their background on the political environment here. Learn what happen to the Republican Club here over time. Learn about Troy Citizens United and their approach to misleading the community on important decisions. Understand the facts of the matters (e.g. claims that Troy city employees make more than those in other communities -- not true -- or that the Transit Center decision means residents will have to spend money on 15 Mile and Coolidge -- also not true). There's a reason there is an outcry from folks from across the political spectrum here in Troy ... a grassroots effort. Before criticizing it, I would simply ask folks to respectfully understand it. That would be an effort in "diversity," as well, would it not? Thanks!
Ed Lambert June 08, 2012 at 01:50 PM
Tim, indeed, it was a Repub president who at least took us further down the pathway of economic disaster. He didn't begin it. Nonetheless, now you know why the tea party phenomenon has sprung up, giving lots of people a renewed opportunity to battle against the demons of economic responsibility and cultural stability and thereby reveal where they really stand while denying that they do so.
Ed Lambert June 08, 2012 at 01:53 PM
Cathy, specific individuals are not the issue here. What is the real issue is that we all maintain civil discourse and that some of us disabuse ourselves of the notion that we can go behind the scenes to exile those we cannot or will not dialog with. The Constitution and the reinforcing courts will not stand for this.
CC June 08, 2012 at 02:16 PM
Can you guys please just let this go? Enough with the First Amendment and court talks. It doesn't apply to a moderated forum like this. It is the Path's site and they can do whatever they want to moderate the comments. It is part of the terms of use below the site ("Patch will make the sole determination as to whether Content is acceptable for the Service"). Let it go. The Patch moderators seem to be very lenient and fair, so I don't get what you guys are complaining about. Just be nice, and people will generally be nice to you back. TALK ABOUT TROY!
Cristian Teodoridis June 08, 2012 at 02:22 PM
Ellen, good point. On the other side, I have a very multicultural background - East European, Mediterranean, Western European and, of course American and thus I can relate to many of these multicultural issues. The "litmus test" I use to judge these issues for myself (I am NOT saying it is the right way or the only way!) is: 1) Respect for the community I chose to make my own (i.e. the majority) 2) Respect for the 1st amendment 3) Respect of all individuals regardless of differences 4) Respect for all individuals' rights to live free of aggression It seems to work for me and again, I'm not saying it's the only way to live by. I will try to make it to the next Melting Pot event in July. And to paraphrase Ellen, I would ask you to learn about TRUST "and their approach [...] on important decisions".
Cristian Teodoridis June 08, 2012 at 02:23 PM
By the way, the order above is not a hierarchical one, it is not mean to say that one is less important than others. Just to avoid confusion :)
Sue Martin June 08, 2012 at 03:14 PM
Definitely learn about all groups in the city and hear their voices. It's only in truly getting to know the back story that we can all see how we've ended up where we are, and how new voices and groups of residents are rising up to restore integrity to the city.
Cathy Fucinari June 08, 2012 at 05:03 PM
Ed Lambert cannot or will not apologize for accusing me, not all individuals or some individuals, but me, for using pornographic language. Even when I referred him to the precise entry where that language was used. You defend the First Amendment. What about the rest of them?
Ed Lambert June 08, 2012 at 05:29 PM
Cathy, you'll have to cite the statements in this thread that prove your assertion that I accused you of anything. You won't find any. I merely entered the discussion to state the origins of that term. I also pointed out indirectly which side of the political divide is given to the use of gutter talk when it protests or even blogs. If an individual used the term while ignorant of its source, that is understandable. Once aware of the discussion about it, however, common courtesy would have suggested that the individual apologize for having done so. Our language is rich with words that we should refrain from using in public. I've stepped in the mess myself. Consider the entire conversation useful if you have learned something about the use of a particular word. Nothing you have written thus far suggests to me that you used the word deliberately in order to disparage anyone.
Dave W June 08, 2012 at 06:09 PM
Ed, you said this to Cathy: "Ed Lambert 10:31 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012 Cathy, references to the people supporting the tea party movement by using a pornographic sexual term is unacceptable. " After she said this: "Cathy Fucinari 8:01 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 Getting Janice's recall on the ballot is a done deal. Don't doubt it. And, Cristian, I also reminded you about the Patch editorial staff warning you. We can't all be wrong. " Not sure where you saw her use a term that the Tea Party used to describe themselves, before they realized the other meaning...as she said, the poster "Jeffery" used the term. Your comment probably should have been in response to that post vs. Cathy's if you were soley commenting on the use of the term.
Ed Lambert June 08, 2012 at 08:41 PM
Dave, I was commenting solely on the use of the term. Frankly, I find it very difficult at times to see any logical order in this site's arrangement of responses. I don't catch everything written. For that very reason I try to generalize my own comments. I also gave her an "out," and I would give any supporter of tea party movements an "out," as well, at least until they learn the origin of that term. On the other hand, terms can acquire an acceptable or problematic use over time that is quite different from original usage. We need only take note of the controversy going back to the Facebook incident to understand that. Words take on different meanings in different contexts. Not so many years ago, albeit in the last millenium, someone in a group of students with whom I was informally chatting between classes one day didn't quite hear my joking comment to one of them and then asked "What'd the n - - - - h say?" That word was totally unacceptable by us adults in general, but in the context of this conversation with youths it was actually a compliment, thrown out in the same way that, among themselves, they used (and still do) the word to describe a certain affinity. Yes, I got along with the kids very well. Not being their "buddy," however, I also considered it a warning that I must not allow them to perceive me as such. That time, though, was not the time to "correct" them.
Inner Voice June 09, 2012 at 12:44 AM
An observation: The act of being offended is self imposed and it is a way that people give their power away. When you feel offended you have, in essence, agreed that someone else has the ability to control the way you feel. What benefit does that have to you? You feel bad and you think you need to defend yourself. Why beat yourself up that way? Look inside, is the statement that is offending you really true? Are you a teabagger? Do you REALLY think that someone was using pornographic slang against you? REALLY? If not, then why are you being offended? If somebody called you a "green table" would you be offended or would you think the other person was a bit crazy? Or maybe you might ask, "Why did you call me a green table? What did you mean?" That could be the start of a wonderful conversation that would be meaningful to both people.
Daffy Noodnicks June 09, 2012 at 03:05 PM
Ed Lambert: I am absolutely stunned, and extremely impressed at your change of mind reflected in the above statement regarding how words take on different meanings depending on the context in which they are used. I have gained respect for you.
Ed Lambert June 09, 2012 at 04:11 PM
Inner Voice and Daffy, perhaps your observations also apply to people who jabber on social media, eh? What about the great bruhaha launched by those in this town who felt they had to be the proxy insulted ones and then use that as their excuse to launch a recall. Any justification of all that can only be interpreted as some folks believing in the "protected species" nonsense propagated these 4 decades by one political party in particular. If nothing else, the recent exchanges have, perhaps, helped some people understand the derivation of words and then knowingly choose whether they want to continue to use them. Now, again: Why the huffin' 'n' puffin' about a word that is proudly displayed on numerous gay and "academic" websites, not to mention popular tv series now in syndication? I just provided one more opportunity for "the offended" to dance.
Inner Voice June 09, 2012 at 06:33 PM
Ed: Yes, there has been a lot of upside down thinking going on in this city on all sides. This is because most people really don't understand how they create their own experiences and so they think other people are the problem. This is unfortunate and it is the root of all perceived problems. In reality there are no problems, everything has been created perfectly. In all cases when someone is offended, they have offended themselves. This is also true in the case of the Mayor's comment on facebook that I believe you are referring to. So I agree with you on that point, but I believe that your further assumption that this comment was used to launch the recall is faulty and incomplete. Yes, many people upset themselves over that episode and many people called for her resignation. I think we can agree on that but I do not believe that the recall effort is based on her facebook post. It is infinitely more complicated than that and you can read about it on the www.RecallJaniceDaniels.com website.
Inner Voice June 09, 2012 at 06:36 PM
Ed: What do you mean by this sentence? "Any justification of all that [the great bruhaha] can only be interpreted as some folks believing in the "protected species" nonsense propagated these 4 decades by one political party in particular." I'm not familiar with the "protected species" nonsense. What are you referring to?
Daffy Noodnicks June 09, 2012 at 07:34 PM
Ed Lambert: Because, as you said, context gives words their meaning. It is clear what the Mayor intended. I thought you had learned something. Alas, it appears I was wrong. I withdraw my previous statement.
Cathy Fucinari June 10, 2012 at 04:50 PM
Ed Lambert. Your continued refusal to acknowledge that your accusation that I used pornographic language when I DID NOT absolutely astounds me. However, it does demonstrate graphically why you cannot acknowledge when you are wrong about other matters of fact. You have besmirched my character. I repeat. I did not, nor do I ever use slurs or pornographic language. This is the last time I will request a retraction. I will pursue this will the Troy Patch. I am sure they do not want their site used for slanderous posts by people who make untrue posts.


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