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Troy Mayor to Face Recall? Group Submits 9,300 Signatures to County (With Video)

A group submitted the signatures to Oakland County to recall Troy Mayor Janice Daniels; if at least 7,985 of those signatures are valid, the recall issue will be placed on the Nov. 6 ballot.

It's been a long three months for members of the political action committee Recall Janice Daniels, who gathered Tuesday morning outside the Oakland County Elections Division offices in Pontiac to celebrate the filing of a petition to recall embattled Troy Mayor Janice Daniels.

If 7,985 of the group's signatures are verified, the recall issue will be put to Troy voters in the Nov. 6 general election.

Daniels first came under fire in December for her  and has remained the center of controversy after  (a  was later approved), telling the  Gay-Straight Alliance she would bring in an expert to tell them  and writing a lengthy position paper some viewed as .

"It's wonderful to see a collaborative effort being put together by a group of volunteers that didn't know each other, that believed in a cause," Troy resident and recall volunteer Toby Gosselin said as she waited outside with other group members.

"I feel very satisfied that we reached enough of the Troy voters so that they got an opportunity to express their opinion about the job performance of the mayor," Troy resident and recall volunteer Sue Morgan added.

Moments later, the group, led by Recall Janice Daniels organizers Matt Binkowski and John Kulesz, marched into the building to submit the 9,300 signatures on 909 sheets, all contained in a cardboard box.

"It feels good," Binkowski said after filing the petition with the Oakland County Elections Division. "It's good that we've reached this stage and can now move on from here. It's kind of a little bit of a relaxation, but we can't let up on our efforts."

"The only thing I can say is, you people are impressive," Kulesz told the group after they had filed the petitions. "Thank you so very much. Matt and I have said from the beginning the only thing we can do is give Troy the opportunity to make this happen, and 125 people stepped up. I am genuinely, genuinely moved."

Binkowski said the next move for the group is to make sure Troy residents know the recall, if verified, will be on the November ballot.

"Next is fundraising and getting our message out to the voters. ... A recall is not for crimes in office—a recall is for when you have serious disagreements with the office holder."

Daniels said she does not agree with the reasons she is being recalled.

“The recall process is part of the representative republican form of government that we have, so we let the process work the way it was intended to," Daniels said. "I think it’s designed for when elected officials commit a crime, and I’ve committed no crime.”

Daniels said she believes the failed recall of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is proof that citizens do not like recalls.

“I hope people will go to my website, janicetroymayor.com, to find out more about me," she added.

The group had until this Friday to file the recall petition and signatures with the county before the group's initial signatures begin to expire. According to state recall procedures, the department then has 22 days after the petition is filed to verify the signatures.

“Assuming they verify the signatures as valid and the number has been satisfied, then it would be something on the November election ballot," Troy City Attorney Lori Grigg Bluhm said. "At that point, we would have to see which way the vote went."

Bluhm said the ballot item "would basically be ."

"It would be a yes or no question," Troy City Clerk Aileen Bittner said. “The law says that if there are more yes votes than no votes, that’s it.”

Bittner said what would happen next, if the mayor is recalled, is tricky.

“According to the charter, in the absence of the mayor, the mayor pro tem assumes responsibilities. Beyond that, the city attorney and I would need to do an analysis to determine what would happen next.”

For comprehensive coverage of the recall effort, visit the Troy Mayor Janice Daniels topic page.

cookiepro2 June 22, 2012 at 02:47 PM
Those who are opposed to the recall employ one or the other tack, which seem to be at odds with each other: 1) Much ado about nothing, i.e., "not exactly worth all this drama and division" If so why are they speaking so often here, and contributing more than their fair share in sheer volume of words to the "drama and division"? If it is so unimportant, why the vehement opposition? 2) Recall = anarchy. There is an awfully high bar, signature-wise that needs to be met to get a petition on the ballot. In addition, it is guided by ordered rules, fomalized, codified, and approved by the state legislature. This is not anarchy. If one is opposed to recalls in principle, work to change the law. A side note: anyone making a generalization of the recall volunteers & signers can assess that they do not fit the stereotype of an "anarchist". They would have preferred to go about their busy productive lives, but are so alarmed by the direction that this city is taking, that they took up this grim but necessary task. Kudos to them for giving us a choice. Now I agree on one thing with the previous poster, let's stop the drama, the publicity mill (no more interviews, or orchestrated speakers, pls Mayor Daniels!), no more re-raking over transit center, homosexuality lifestyle, etc., ad nauseum. Just let the people speak in November.
Helen Rieland June 22, 2012 at 02:53 PM
Thank you Ann for helping us to more clearly understand why the Mayor of Troy, Janice Daniels, is going to be recalled. You are a perfect example of the ideology and outsider thinking that I don't want in Troy. Janice is bringing a national political ideology and agenda into our city and it's not appreciated by a very large number of residents. This will soon be proven by the recall signatures that were gathered. The fact that you and many of her supporters that speak for her on blogs, chats and in the council chambers are NOT residents of Troy just strengthens our case. Janice is not putting Troy residents first. Janice is not putting Troy businesses first. Janice Daniels does not care about the reputation of Troy. She continues to embarrass the residents of Troy. She has lost much of her local support and she is now pulling in any outsider that she can find to speak up for her. It is pathetic. So please continue to comment to your hearts content. I thank you for the support you give our cause of recalling Janice Daniels the Mayor that's NOT for Troy.
cookiepro2 June 22, 2012 at 02:57 PM
This has been repeated time and time again. No special election nor associated costs is required either for the recall or for a new mayor. The mayor pro tem will assume the mayoral duties for 30 days, during which the remaining 6 CM's will select an interim mayor who will serve until the next regularly scheduled election, probably Nov 2013. Yes, Janice Daniels, Martin Howrylak or anyone else could run then. As for the 6 CMs coming up with an interim Mayor, I'm sure they will find a way being not rigid idealogues, or affected transparently by cronyism.
ann galen June 22, 2012 at 03:08 PM
"Ron Dwyer Tuesday, June 12, 2012 This is completely embarrassing for Troy and its not Janice that's embarrassing us, its the sore losers who want to continue to play with the taxpayers dollars. The only reason why Janice is being recalled is because she is trying to trim the City of Troy's budget and cut wasteful spending, such as the Transit Center that will not be used and trying to prevent those from double dipping, (collecting multiple pensions). Our former city manager, John Szerlag wasn't to far off when he said Troy may go bankrupt in 2017. We have to tighten our belts. John Szerlag was part of the problem collecting a huge pension from a past position with the city and then a salary with his City Manager's position. From what I've seen so far Janice has been working for us! Show me otherwise and I too will hold her feet to the fire." ============================== Excellent post Ron! It is one thing to disapprove of current politicians (the following have low approval: obama, Congress, Synder,). A recall/approval poll is something different than an election a choice has to be made. Congress may be approved by only 11% but 95% get re-elected. If Daniels is recalled this November, she may be overwhelmingly re-elected in the next election for mayor when the voters will be forced to choose between Daniels or somebody else. Are the Troy voters going to vote for a tax-and-spend liberal who will give us higher taxes and bankruptcy? or to bring back Daniels?
Daffy Noodnicks June 22, 2012 at 03:17 PM
I see your lack of factual understanding is not preventing you from reaching your false conclusions. You clearly do not understand the recall process. Personally, if the next mayor turns out to be of any particular ideology will not be important to me, as long as that person does not openly express intolerant ideas in their capacity as a public official.
ann galen June 22, 2012 at 03:19 PM
Will you please explain the methodology of what will be happening a little more clearly? What happens after 30 days if the evenly 3-3 divided 6 CM's do not agree on an interim mayor? "Who" could the CM's choose? Could they choose Janice Daniels or Martin Howrylak to act as the interim mayor? If they choose one of their own to be interim mayor, then most votes will still continue to be deadlocked at 3-3. Why are you so "sure" that the other 3 CM's will agree with who we nominate to be the interim mayor?
Helen Rieland June 22, 2012 at 03:25 PM
Ann - I think you could read the Troy Charter to get the information you're looking for. Maybe you should do your own research and understand how Troy works if you want to stick your nose in our business.
ann galen June 22, 2012 at 03:31 PM
"Helen Rieland 11:25 am on Friday, June 22, 2012 Ann - I think you could read the Troy Charter to get the information you're looking for. Maybe you should do your own research and understand how Troy works if you want to stick your nose in our business." =========================================================== This remark has contributed absolutely nothing to the subject matter of this topic. Yet, your empty remark(s) are very indicative, very telling, and very insightful.
cookiepro2 June 22, 2012 at 03:37 PM
Ann, Martin Howrylak is running for the MI House of Rep, I doubt that he will be available. Unless you are predicting that he will lose in the primary. Why do I think the remaining CM's will be able to nominate an interim mayor? Unlike with Mayor Daniels, I still have faith in their sincere desire to serve the City of Troy, which has been demonstrated by their discourse in council meetings, and their voting. You do bring up valid "What ifs?" A "what if" for me, is what if Janice Daniels is allowed to continue being mayor, with her continuing, clueless, divisive behavior, what will happen to Troy?
Helen Rieland June 22, 2012 at 03:39 PM
Ann - Insightful of what? What I see is an outsider that has poked their nose in to business spouting rhetoric as if they know about Troy and what has been going on here for 3+ years. The fact is that you don't know. That is insightful. I'm glad you want to know but it's a little late for you to be asking sincere questions. You came in shouting. Now I'm telling you to go back and do your research if you want to participate. What's insightful is that people, like you that don't know what's going on, pretend to know and then eventually get caught in your ignorance.
Helen Rieland June 22, 2012 at 03:41 PM
Here's the website in case you don't know how to find it. http://www.troymi.gov/ You can also watch all the council meetings and read all the minutes of the meetings. When you have done your research and have legitimate questions based on facts we can talk some more.
ann galen June 22, 2012 at 03:44 PM
11:44 am on Friday, June 22, 2012 "Helen Rieland 11:39 am on Friday, June 22, 2012 Ann - Insightful of what? What I see is an outsider that has poked their nose in to business spouting rhetoric as if they know about Troy and what has been going on here for 3+ years. The fact is that you don't know. That is insightful. I'm glad you want to know but it's a little late for you to be asking sincere questions. You came in shouting. Now I'm telling you to go back and do your research if you want to participate. What's insightful is that people, like you that don't know what's going on, pretend to know and then eventually get caught in your ignorance." ============================================================= This remark has contributed absolutely nothing to the subject matter of this topic. Yet, your continued personal attack remark(s) are very indicative, very telling, and very insightful.
ann galen June 22, 2012 at 04:02 PM
cookiepro2 Friday, June 22, 2012 June 22, 2012Martin Howrylak is running for the MI House of Rep, I doubt that he will be available. Unless you are predicting that he will lose in the primary.Why do I think the remaining CM's will be able to nominate an interim mayor? Unlike with Mayor Daniels, I still have faith in their sincere desire to serve the City of Troy, which has been demonstrated by their discourse in council meetings, and their voting. You do bring up valid "What ifs?" A "what if" for me, is what if Janice Daniels is allowed to continue being mayor.? " ======================================================== 1. Isn't Martin is running for state rep in 2012, not 2013? It is not 100% assured that Martin will win the office of Michigan State Rep in 2012. I think a prudent assessment is that the chances are currently somewhat less than 50% that Martin will be the next state rep in 2012/2013. Regardless, there is always Bob Gosselin waiting in the wings who will accept the office of mayor. 2. Why do you have faith that the other 3 CM's will agree to who we nominate for interim mayor? On political topics/votes, the current 6 CM almost totally and consistently always vote 3-3 (with Daniels being the deciding vote). I don't see any history of this council giving in on a political vote for who is going to be the next interim mayor. Exactly what support do you have that the other 3 CM will concede and vote for our nominee as interim mayor?
Wiley Coyote June 22, 2012 at 04:08 PM
Hey Ann, still waiting for an answer to my question about you supporting/condoning a proven bigot in a political office. By your silence, I think it's safe to assume you do. How sad and pathetic that is. Intolerance and prejudice are evil, ugly things that should be in the rear view mirror of a supposedly civilized, enlightened society by now. In my opinion, no public official, entrusted with seeing to the common welfare of a city, state or nation made up of citizens of every background, belief or orientation should be allowed to not only broadcast such views, but continue to defend them in public forums without censure, in this case, a constitutionally provided measure called a recall.
cookiepro2 June 22, 2012 at 04:44 PM
1. Yes, Howrylak is running in 2012, so if he wins the August primary, he wouldn't be available for interim mayor. If he loses the November 2012 MI House of Rep election, he would be available for running for Mayor in 2013, though it would be unusual in a political career to make the decision to go backward; it is entirely his decision though. Re: Gosselin, I think it would be unusual for the CMs or the Troy voters to choose a person who is delinquent in paying their Troy property taxes for mayor. In any case, discussion of either of these possible candiates for mayor interim or elected, is irrelevant to Janice Daniels's current mayorship. 2. The CMs have had votes where they weren't deadlocked, also, notably votes where Janice Daniels has been the one dissenting voter, i.e, 1) having the library open on Saturday, instead of Friday and 2) approval of the current budget. Of course, no one can say with certainty if they will or won't be deadlocked, but there have been times when votes have been close, and compromise (never involving Mayor Daniels, she, the principled one) reached. I would venture to say even now the CMs may be deliberating in their own minds who would be viable interim candidates, so they won't be caught entirely by surprise when the need arises.
ann galen June 22, 2012 at 05:01 PM
cookiepro2 12:44 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012 1. Yes, Howrylak is running in 2012, so if he wins the August primary, he wouldn't be available for interim mayor. If he loses the November 2012 MI House of Rep election, he would be available for running for Mayor in 2013, though it would be unusual in a political career to make the decision to go backward; it is entirely his decision though. ========================================================== I'm sorry, that does not sound right. The August primary is irrelevant. Whether or not Martin Howrylak wins or loses the Republican primary in August of 2012 is irrelevant, since Martin Howrylak will not be appointed to the position of the interim mayor of Troy until some time after the general election results in November. It doesn't matter what happens between August and November as far as Martin being nominated and confirmed as interim mayor in November of 2012.
cookiepro2 June 22, 2012 at 05:15 PM
Excuse me, you are right. Only if Howrylak wins the Nov 2012 House of Rep election in November would he be unavailable for interim mayor, otherwise he could conceivably by chosen by the remaining CMs for the job. Que sera, sera.
Helen Rieland June 22, 2012 at 05:21 PM
I believe that there is also the possibility that if the remaining 6 CMs can't agree on an interim mayor that the seat would go unfilled.
Eva June 22, 2012 at 06:12 PM
The remaining six council members could take that laptop Janice will no longer be using, add a random choice application...Yes or No...to use only when there is a tie vote. That would be far better than what sits there now, no more costs for a member, just the cost of electricity, no cost for a special election. (In my dreams.)
ann galen June 22, 2012 at 06:13 PM
"Helen Rieland 1:21 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012 I believe that there is also the possibility that if the remaining 6 CMs can't agree on an interim mayor that the seat would go unfilled." ===================================================== That will give a 3-3 deadlock on City Council votes for the next 3 years, and will not be good for attracting or keeping businesses in Troy. A Troy City Council split 3-3 for the next 3 years will mean that the impending bankruptcy in 2017 as forecast by City Manager John Serlag will become almost certain since a 3-3 City Council will not be able to make any tough decisions that would prevent the bankruptcy of the City of Troy. A 3-3 City Council won't do it. An even dire future is in store if a dead-locked Troy city government becomes submerged in a national and global economic depression. . ========================================================= "5-Year Budget Shows Troy Bankrupt in 2017 Unless major changes are made, the city could face takeover by an emergency manager in five years, says City Manager John Szerlag."
Tim McGee June 22, 2012 at 06:27 PM
Let's clear up the misunderstanding as to what happens if Daniels is recalled...by City Charter, the Mayor Protem assumes the position of Acting Mayor...since there is now a position open on the council, the council will then appoint a replacement as a councilperson. The Acting Mayor and the appointed council replacement would serve until the next normal election when a new mayor would be elected. At that time the acting mayor would return to her council position and the appointed council person would be excused from the council. By the way, the Mayor Protem is also selected by the sitting council at the time each year so as to afford the opportunity for more council persons to experience this position. Thus, if Daniels is recalled, the Mayor Protem that will be in position is unknown at this time as that person has not been selected by the current standing council.
Helen Rieland June 22, 2012 at 06:32 PM
Oh ye of little faith. I agree that it would be better to have a tie breaker in place but I think the remaining 6 CMs will figure out how to make any situation work. No matter what happens, it will be better than having Janice Daniels as Mayor. I think a random generator on a computer or a coin toss would be better than having the disaster we have now. At least random generators and coins don't have feet or a mouth with which to embarrass Troy.
Wiley Coyote June 22, 2012 at 06:34 PM
Ann...Ann...still waiting....
cookiepro2 June 22, 2012 at 07:33 PM
Tim, Thanks, that clears that up. So the interim or acting mayor would be one of the current six elected council members and would already know presumably how to chair a council meeting. Also any one of them would be preferable to represent Troy than Mayor Daniels.
CC June 23, 2012 at 01:56 AM
There is no point in even debating with someone who doesn't live in this state, let alone the city of Troy. The key is for us to focus on educating those within our city limits. ann galen - I appreciate your interest in Troy, but you may be better served getting involved in what is happening in your own neck of the woods. The people of Troy have been living this for some time and have done something perfectly legal to remove an under performing mayor from office. While the Mayor is attempting to bring in others from outside the city to come to her defense, this recall will be decided by only Troy voters. Thanks for your interest and be sure to check back in November so you can remind us of the anarchy we created across the country for our extremely legal act.
Ali Marose September 07, 2012 at 06:17 PM
There is no doubt that the misinformed, spoiled left-wing Democrats have been very angry and have bullied the current mayor of Troy. She has not committed any crime and is entitled to her opinions on what-ever issue she chooses (whether you like it or not - that is America). The bottom line is the people are not fooled by the pushy, tax-spending liberals who are against this mayor and will not vote to recall her because she is working to keep taxes low. No one will use the rail system. How will this rail station help the automotive industry in Michigan? It will not do much good at all and just as the people mover in downtown Detroit, will be flogged with problems and overspending. Taxpayers want a mayor who will fight to protect them from liberal spenders. These unbalanced groups who promote their own agendas are sore losers and want only their way in everything. Give the mayor a chance. Thank you.
Linda September 07, 2012 at 06:33 PM
Sorry to disappoint you Ali, but there are many Republicans that have signed the petitions, many of which voted for her originally. This goes beyond the rail system and her comments, it is about her performance overall as Mayor. She is unqualified and has shown that numerous times. I am seeking answers from her on various topics and she has side stepped an answer. I have asked her these questions in hopes of helping the citizens understand her messages.
Cathy Fucinari September 07, 2012 at 06:36 PM
Brace yourself. You are in for a serious reality check. "Spoiled left-wing Democrats.....blah blah blah" are not behind the campaign to remove this incompetent ideologue from office. The people supporting this initiative are from across the board, from liberal to conservative, from all walks of life. They recognize this woman for the fraud that she is.
Daffy Noodnicks September 07, 2012 at 07:15 PM
It is clear you are fooled by uninformed rhetoric, Ali. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. She is entitled to her ignorant offensive opinions. She is entitled to speak them. The citizens of Troy are entitled to recall her if they find her representation of the city repellent. And people from across the political spectrum are supporting the recall. Thank you for your prognostications on transit use. I am sure it is based on factual evidience. I would be delighted to hear ANY way the mayor has protected taxpayers from liberal spenders. I have not seen a single action. The truth is taxpayers want a mayor who will not embarrass the city by following a personal agenda of extremist ideology to the exclusion of all else, including what is in the best interest of the citizens she is supposed to be representing.
CC September 07, 2012 at 07:50 PM
Just ignore Ali's uninformed comments. Based on the fact that she trolls around on multiple cities Patch sites and extols her political virtues, I am guessing she isn't even a resident in Troy. It is the residents in Troy that will have the say on this matter.

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