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Troy Residents Comment on Transit Center; Vote Expected Dec. 19

The $8.4 million transit center is slated to be built with federal funds; council is expected to vote Dec. 19 on whether to move forward – or scrap the project.

Troy City Council heard from area residents Monday night offering their opinions on the proposed .

Council had encouraged people to come forward with opinions at Monday night's City Council meeting in advance of making a decision on whether the project would move forward or be scrapped.

On Nov. 21, council ended its meeting  to alter the fate of an $8.4 million transit center that is slated to be built with funding from the Federal Railroad Administration.

The transit center project would replace the current Amtrak station located in Birmingham. The new facility would allow for connections to other modes of transportation, including a SMART bus terminal and potential connections with future light rail and commuter trains. The current station consists of a platform and small shelter.

Troy City Manager John Szerlag asked City Council to make a decision by Dec. 19 so the project could either move forward or be scrapped. If the contract were rescinded, the federal funds would be reallocated and provided to another railroad project, most likely in another state.

Chamber president: 'We can't afford to lose this project'

 president Michelle Hodges spoke in favor of the proposed transit center. She said she had also recently spoken with Meritor, AT&T and other companies in Troy who are strongly in favor of the project.

"We can't afford to lose this project," Hodges said, encouraging the council to find some way to compromise so that the city can move forward with the project.

Another member of the Troy Chamber said a 4 1/2-hour trip to Chicago or a quick trip downtown for a game would be a major draw for people that the transit center could provide.

A resident of Troy who lives a half-mile from the center's proposed location expressed concerns about safety living so close to a transit center. That resident, a police officer in another community, said he deals first-hand with problems that come up at transit centers. Another resident who spoke out against the project told council that there are always "strings attached" with federal money and said the area is not centralized enough for this type of transit system.

Troy resident Kathy Martin spoke in favor of the project, saying she lived in Europe where she said the public transit system was "absolutely seamless." She said she disagrees with other comments about criminals using public transit, saying she has had various reasons for needing to use public transit in the past.

About the transit project

The transit center project would replace the current Amtrak station located in Birmingham. The new facility would allow for connections to other modes of transportation, including a SMART bus terminal and potential connections with future light rail and commuter trains. The current station consists of a platform and small shelter.

Troy City Council on Sept. 12 approved a contract with the Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) to proceed with the design and construction phase of the transit center. Under the contract agreement, MDOT would provide about $8.4 million for the project, with that money coming from the Federal Railroad Administration.

Following the November election, newly installed Mayor Janice Daniels has said she would like to hear viewpoints opposing the center, and newly elected Councilmen Doug Tietz and Dave Henderson also indicated they are opposed to the project.

Council is now considering whether to allow the project to proceed or to introduce a motion to rescind the contract and halt the project before the design phase of the project starts. City administrators indicated during a study session last month that the city has spent more than $400,000 on the project in the past decade.

Szerlag has said the city management isn't for or against the project, but rather works at the discretion of the City Council.

If the contract were rescinded, the federal funds would be reallocated and provided to another railroad project, most likely in another state.

Troy resident Cynthia Wilsher said the transit center has been in the works for years and suddenly the new council "wants to boot that out."

"How dare you?" she said.

Rob December 6, 2011 at 01:16 pm
I am in favor of it. This is an investment in our city and region. Who else is offering us 8.5 million of our own money back to improve access to Troy and better travel options for our citizens? Remember, this is not just a train station. I have yet to see one person who opposes this offer anything but wild conjecture and fear as reasons to reject it. In fact, if any of these folks speak long enough, they inevitably show their true colors--fear and racism.
susan December 6, 2011 at 01:55 pm
The train transit center was a great idea-150 years ago. Nobody from Troy is going to use this thing to go to Detroit. There is no place to walk to for anyone who gets off at the Troy Station. There are only a few parking places if any Troy residents ever wanted to use it. I wish there was some way to make those who want this thing to make them ride on it. Any member of City Council who votes for it should be made to ride on it once a week. I love trains, and I would love to see a new train station............ but only if a private company (such as Union Pacific, Grand Trunk, etc) paid for it completely and built it by themselves without tax payer money.
Tim McGee December 6, 2011 at 05:49 pm
Susan: where have you been...have you even read the proposal...there are over 100 parking spaces at the transit center and pledges from car rental agencies, cab companies and the Smart bus for continuation of one's journey throughout the city. There are two issues that I see: (1) Some of our "enlightened" citizens are borderline bigots and wouldn't go to Detroit if I drove them...there is so much to do down there you would be surprised and (2) as a businessman sending any of my representatives to call on Meritor, Magma, AT&T or any of the many business corporate headquarters in Troy or vice-versa from Troy to Chicago businesses, it makes better financial sense to send them in on a train than thru the air...better utilization of their time and travel expenses.
cath December 6, 2011 at 07:03 pm
Please do not stop this opportunity for our area. It is an important investment. Vote yes and keep the transit center moving forward.
John December 6, 2011 at 10:30 pm
I just visited a very similar transit center in Utah. It was built in a much less desirable neighborhood than the border of Troy and Birmingham--a wasteland by comparison. But guess what? It is aurrounded by brand new condos now. Build it and they will come--and by "they" I mean homeowners and taxpayers, not troublemakers. The only transit centers I know of in this area are in Pontiac and Detroit, which are just generally higher crime areas, and therefore are not good predictors for activity at a Troy transit center.
Karen Schoonover December 7, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Build it! We need growth in this city. Haven't you noticed the empty corporate buildings around town due to the economy? It saddens me that our newly elected mayor has it in her pea-brain to let something of such importantance to the city go. City Council has been working on the transit center progress for over 10 years. Ms. Daniels, give the transit center a chance; don't be so afraid of everything!
Cathy Fucinari December 7, 2011 at 01:39 pm
I don't understand how 3 people, who have no experience in economics, finance, or government, or business (real estate doesn't count after the last 5-year debacle), can come in and ,after 1 month, decide they know better than all of the people who have worked on this for 10 years.
Ron Dwyer December 7, 2011 at 02:12 pm
The transit center will be a boondoggle for the Troy Citizens. While it sounds good in principle, not enough people will use it. It will not be self sustaining and we the taxpayers of Troy will end up paying for the lack of use with higher taxes. Just look at the Transit Center in Pontiac as an example. Also logic tells you not to build a Transit Center so close to the neighborhoods. If you ask experts they will tell you it will lead to higher crime in those neighborhoods. Some are afraid to say this because they will say its a race issue, black versus white. It's no a reace issuet, crime can be committed by white outsiders more often than not. Many so called "gypsies" ride the public transportation from one town to the next. I am already upset at the past members of council on their votes. If they expect my vote on their future election bids, they will vote no on the transit center.
Cathy Fucinari December 7, 2011 at 03:41 pm
Couple of things: 1. The train tracks were there before the neighborhoods were. 2. This isn't Pontiac 3. Mr. Wisz (Janice's 'expert' ) made it clear on his facebook page that their position is undoubtedly racist. 4. Did it ever occur to you that the people who have actually studied this proposal might have a clearer idea of its benefits? Why don't you investigate that? 5. Your so-called "gypsies" can use the freeway system too, should we demolish the roads to protect ourselves? Please, let's be logical.
Carol December 7, 2011 at 03:42 pm
Was a benefits analysis/forecast done as part of the studies the City did? I've looked at the City website and I don't see this, just cost analysis stuff. Can anyone tell me what the benefits are forecast to be, hopefully based on a study of similar projects.
I believe new jobs and filling the empty buildings in Troy ought to be a top priority and it seems logical that the Transit Center should be a help with that. Has anyone got facts?
Karen Schoonover December 7, 2011 at 06:44 pm
I find the word "gypsies" as you used it, derogatory as well. You used it to describe the poor in this case. I had no idea there was so much ethnic hate in this town...
Audre Zembrzuski December 10, 2011 at 12:28 am
I have an offer, Let us put it to a vote of the people and let them have to true say of
what should be done. I am sick of hearing the Chamber talk for all of Troy. The only true way is to let the people VOTE ON THE TRANSIT. They will have to be paying for some of it. in the future, so let's not kid ourselves., More debt for the kids.
Audre Zembrzuski December 10, 2011 at 12:29 am
Susan Good answer, and they said no one was against it.
ljd December 16, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Why is it that on these comment sections, some people have to turn everything into a race thing and certain people decide certain words are derogatory? No one stated that gypsies were poor people, you did Karen. Poor people wouldn't be able to afford riding the train. Gypsies are people that smply travel around from town to town like scavangers, they do exist. Whether it be in a vehicle or transit they are out there.
Anyhow, I find it interesting that a city that couldn't afford keeping their library open, has to privatize their city works and other departments, all the way to the school disctrict privatizing everything....can afford a transit system??????? I have read there are about 4-5 companies in Troy that are for this transit system, then let them invest in this system for their employees, not my tax dollars.
ljd December 16, 2011 at 01:01 pm
Good questions Carol. I would like to see a drawing of the WHOLE system from the building to the tracks etc..I haven't been able to find that. I see a simple drawing of the building but no detail...I would like to see detailed drawings....
Cathy Fucinari December 17, 2011 at 02:21 pm
Linda, if you did a little research, you would find that "gypsies" are an ethnic/cultural group from Eastern Europe. They represented a segment of the 12 million people killed in the holocaust. In addition, a little further research and you would learn that 1. The funds to build the Transit Center are federal tax dollars. Troy taxpayers send money to the IRS every year, and rarely get those dollars back. 2. Businesses are taxpayers too. You have read about the 4-5 LARGE companies that support the transit center. That doesn't mean it is an all-inclusive list of supporters. 3. Not bringing these funds to Troy will not reduce the deficit, it will merely enrich some other community, perhaps in another state.
Cathy Fucinari December 17, 2011 at 02:21 pm
Here are some key points :
- $10M of transit investment = 314 jobs - In Dallas, businesses near a transit line experienced a 33% jump in sales (as opposed to 3% elsewhere). - Properties near a transit line can experience a 20-200% increase in value. - State/Local government could realize up to a 16% increase in revenue. - Michigan Municipal League has identified transit as one of 8 assets possessed by 21st Century Communities. - Elderly prefer access to myriad transit options and we have an aging community. - If we are to attract and retain youth, transit is preferred by that age demographic. - Transit creates walkable communities, which are preferred living destinations. - Transit Center will help restore health to the commercial sector by improving vacancy rates. - Other Amtrak communities are experiencing a commercial and residential renaissance. - Debt management = smart cuts coupled with smart investment in growth assets (i.e. transit) - Businesses in Troy contribute 42% of the tax base, making for a high level of service, at a low cost to residents so local income taxes to Troy citizens can remain low. - Opposition has come from individuals where as advocates are institutionalized and organized, representing larger numbers of residents and businesses. - The support for the Transit center is widespread, diverse and advocated by leaders in the Republican and Democratic Parties.
Karen Schoonover December 17, 2011 at 02:53 pm
Love your points for the transit center Cathy. I have an ominous feeling that there are going to be many speakers at the December 19th City Council Meeting AGAINST the transit center. Please have your say (this time around) City of Troy voters and sign up to comment regarding the pros of the transit center. If you can't make the meeting, email City Council! I just did.

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